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Sean Payton's Vicodin

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14 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

They didn't pin their hopes on a rookie QB

The Rams won their SB with a seasoned veteran QB who was throwing for 4,000 yards on an annual basis in Detroit. Stafford was being held back by a Lion franchise that has never appeared in Super Bowl despite being one of the oldest franchises in the NFL.

 

I'm  glad you acknowledged that the staff "may" want a certain prospect. But what if they don't? There are people on this board who will have an emotional meltdown if we don't move up to the top 3 and pick they QB that "they want". I like they new regime. If they decide to move up then I'll support them. If they don't move up, then I'll support them. 

Man, we can't compare our front office with Philadelphia. They went 5 NFC title games and a SB when the had Reid &McNabb in the 2000's. The Eagles are almost always in contention in the NFC.  Do you think we'd be concerned about moving up if the guys in the Philly front office was running our team? We are concerned about the Carolina front office screwing things up. I'm hoping Fitterer becomes the finest GM in the NFL. But, he still has to prove himself   

If we stay put at #9 and don't make any trades we will have 3 picks in the top 63. We should walk away with 3 starters in this years draft if we play our cards right. Sometimes the best player at a postion doesn't come off until the late 1st or 2nd round because of drat runs on other postions. Other times drafts are so deep that there isn't a big dropoff between the top 5 players in a position group,

As for later picks being a risk the same thing applies to first round QB's. I think history proves that there is over a 50% but rate for round 1 quarterbacks. Every pick in the draft is really a crapshoot. 

You do know that we are already almost 10 million dollars over the cap, right? If we don't do some major restructuring and cut of couple of guys we won't lure be able sign any FA"s because we won't be able to afford them. We also could help our cap situation quite a bit if we could draft some good players in rounds 2-3 and have them on rookie deals for the next 4 seasons. 

If we trade for a  QB into the top 3, the other team is going to want #1 picks in 2024 and 2025. Probably a #2 this year and possibly another a #2 or #3 in 2024 or 2025..  I don't feel too secure in the thought of Carolina trying to build a championship roster with a 2023 rookie QB  and most of their picks in 2024 and 2025 coming in the 3rd round or later. 

The Rams did in fact pin their hopes on a rookie they traded the BARN for, failed, retooled, and still won a SB.    

And if the staff doesn't want a guy, then they don't get them.  I don't see what projecting that scenario on others emotions brings to the argument.  I guess congrats to you if we don't end up with Stroud and Young?

And now suddenly Howie Roseman is a front office genius...okay lol.  

It's 2 picks.  2 players, unknowns, that are in their self, just as a risk without even knowing who they are.

Heck, for the sake of it, let's just see who some pick 9s were, oh wait, yeah we have one on our roster, from 2020 and got him for a 3rd rounder and some guy named Dan Arnold in 2021.  

 

 

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6 hours ago, heel31ok said:

He won 2...the OP would have that at zero...there are zero mahomes in this draft.Zero.

 

If Mahomes was coming out of Texas Tech this year you and the other "muh defense" posters would be crying and shitting up this board about how he went 13-19 in College and we'll make the playoffs with some DE from Alabama or some poo

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19 hours ago, CRA said:

I don't think it lessens the point at all.  It reinforces how important the QB spot is from my vantage point.  

there were tons of better teams out there each year Brady was winning. 

and yeah, I think the point is to go find a HOF type player.  That's who can consistently compete for championships.  If you don't have that? Well, you are just praying for some obscure season playing out for you.   

Brady didn’t cripple his team with salary demands, which freed up cap space to go after free agents. Personally I don’t think he would’ve had the same success by demanding top dollar. 
 

He definitely wasn’t the most talented, but his ability to read coverages and make in game adjustments were phenomenal.

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6 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Brady didn’t cripple his team with salary demands, which freed up cap space to go after free agents. Personally I don’t think he would’ve had the same success by demanding top dollar. 
 

He definitely wasn’t the most talented, but his ability to read coverages and make in game adjustments were phenomenal.

I was listening to Colin Cowherd the other day. I think I heard him say that no team with a QB with a top 5 salary at his position to start the season has won a Super Bowl in the current day NFL. When a QB resets the market you almost guarantee his team will not win the Super Bowl. 

Mahomes, like Brady, realizes that as great as they are, they he can't do it alone. It's a team game. Those guys care more about winning than making a couple of extra million dollars per year. When you start winning SB rings whatever you don't get paid on the field, you can make up for it off the field with endorsement deals and business ventures.

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