The Ravens can’t be this dumb? They’re a smart organization right?

[joemac]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

The Saints are not drafting in the top 10.

Well they are, they are at 10, but still I was wrong.  I got them confused with the Raiders. 

[top dawg]

20 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

To make sure we are on the same page, Kirk Cousins got a fully guaranteed deal when he joined the Vikings.  He was the one that got the ball rolling.  Watson getting the same thing confirmed what we already knew, which was if a potential franchise QB hit the open market they wouldn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else.  And Watson wasn't even technically on the open market and still got paid.

Lamar would be smart to stick to his guns on this one.  There is no reason to cave.  Even if they tag him each of the next 3 seasons he's going to make a ton of money and STILL come out of the other end being able to hit the open market.

I personally had forgotten about Cousins. I guess the real difference is the tremendous amount of money that is involved here.

The Ravens don't want to further and solidify that new precedent with such an amount of money. They are arguing (and betting) that Watson's contract is an outlier. We'll see who's right. But you're exactly correct: Cousins' deal, though seemingly paltry to Watson's contract, was the first fully guaranteed conteact. It obviously didn't really set a precedent, but I guess they feel that Jackson's contract could, being that it is coming after Watson's, and probably before Burrows', Herbert's, etc.

Edited March 6, 2023 by top dawg

[SmokinwithWilly]

26 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Im sure he has lawyers helping out as well.

 

Dude just needs to get an agent. This clearly hasn't worked out well for him so far with his mom trying to get a deal done.

You were saying in another thread the Ravens were mean and taking advantage of his mom. This just looks like another misstep by his "camp." He's put himself in a terrible position and using SAS as a mouthpiece doesn't really lend itself to more credibility than DeMaurice Smith. He really should have looked at the Josh Norman situation.

[NAS]

Panthers shouldn't do this because of the huge contract he'll demand.  

[t96]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Yes, they are that dumb. Like I advised last week, this is NOT Ozzie Newsome's Ravens. Eric DeCosta has not proved to be on Newsome's level. If they let Jackson get away, they will be screwed. Mark my words.

If they give him a 5 year fully guaranteed contract they will be screwed. Dude can't stay healthy

[top dawg]

Just now, t96 said:

If they give him a 5 year fully guaranteed contract they will be screwed. Dude can't stay healthy

Well, we'll see. Few stay 100 percent healthy. The belief is that he could have played through the latest injury, had he been paid...In my opinion, you can't let your franchise QB get away. Injuries are a part of sports, so unless it's something career-ending, just pay your players early in order to get the best value because the salary cap is essentially ever-increasing.

[t96]

29 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well, we'll see. Few stay 100 percent healthy. The belief is that he could have played through the latest injury, had he been paid...In my opinion, you can't let your franchise QB get away. Injuries are a part of sports, so unless it's something career-ending, just pay your players early in order to get the best value because the salary cap is essentially ever-increasing.

Man, he plays recklessly, it's part of why he's so damn good. And if the bolded is actually true then that's an even bigger red flag than injuries. Skipping playoffs when you could've played and your team is a legit contender just because of a contract situation? That's a bitch level move from an alleged "franchise QB." Look at the videos of Mahomes desperately begging Reid to not send him to the locker room when he rolled his ankle. That's what you want out of a franchise QB that you're paying a ton of $$ to.

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, t96 said:

That's what you want out of a franchise QB that you're paying a ton of $$ to.

But the Ravens weren't paying him a ton of money. KC took care of Mahomes.

It's OK if we disagree, but I don't think that Lamar plays recklessly. I think he actually plays pretty smartly. I don't see him trying to truck people out on the field, or taking unnecessary hits. Sure,  he runs a lot, but is that just because he likes to run, or is it because he hasn't had great skill players (or a combination of both)? In my opinion, he's proven to be a pretty smart player. 

 

Edited March 6, 2023 by top dawg

[t96]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

But the Ravens weren't paying him a ton of money. KC took care of Mahomes.

It's OK if we disagree, but I don't think that Lamar plays recklessly. I think he actually plays pretty smartly. I don't see him trying to truck people out on the field, or taking unnecessary hits. Sure,  

Fair that Mahomes already had his big contract but with him I don't think that makes any difference whatsoever. He's committed to and fully invested in winning. He signed a team friendly deal with pretty damn low guarantees for the best player in the world by far. By all accounts he was never worried about his contract or difficult he's just all about ball. I can't say the same for Lamar.

It's the nature of being a running QB, which he 100% is. He takes a ton of hits. Both in and outside the pocket. That stuff adds up, and the hits he takes aren't curling up in a ball protecting himself like a Brady or Matt Ryan would do. They come from all different angles in all different situations which is not good for longevity. He's now let his team with championship aspirations down the past 2 seasons by being hurt and even before that he has never performed well in the playoffs.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Fair that Mahomes already had his big contract but with him I don't think that makes any difference whatsoever. He's committed to and fully invested in winning. He signed a team friendly deal with pretty damn low guarantees for the best player in the world by far. By all accounts he was never worried about his contract or difficult he's just all about ball. I can't say the same for Lamar.

It's the nature of being a running QB, which he 100% is. He takes a ton of hits. Both in and outside the pocket. That stuff adds up, and the hits he takes aren't curling up in a ball protecting himself like a Brady or Matt Ryan would do. They come from all different angles in all different situations which is not good for longevity. He's now let his team with championship aspirations down the past 2 seasons by being hurt and even before that he has never performed well in the playoffs.

Mahomes earned about 20m in endorsement deals in 2022. That number is going to go up. Winning gets you paid off the field too, making it easier to take a lower salary because you still end up in the same spot. 

[t96]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Mahomes earned about 20m in endorsement deals in 2022. That number is going to go up. Winning gets you paid off the field too, making it easier to take a lower salary because you still end up in the same spot. 

tell Lamar that

[top dawg]

I just don't think they're going to do it, but if they do, they have a screw loose. On the draft capital front, you could get Lamar cheaper than you could move up to one. For all you Lamar haters, you don't think Dave Tepper won't be licking his chops (and it won't be for ketchup-covered steak)?

 

Edited March 6, 2023 by top dawg

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I just don't think they're going to do it, but if they do, they have a screw loose. On the draft capital front, you could get Lamar cheaper than you could move up to one. For all you Lamar haters, you don't think Dave Tepper won't be licking his chops (and it won't be for ketchup-covered steak)?

 

I don't hate Lamar. I think it's highly possible he's made some very questionable decisions. If you factor in his injury history, and I think you have to, would you be willing to pay him 50m or more per season, knowing you may very well need a Brissett type backup at another 10-15m just to finish out the year and possible playoff run? I don't give 2 shits if Tepper is licking his chops. If Tepper is picking our QB again (Watson), we might as well bring Matt fuging Rhule back. 

[Jon Snow]

Everyone wants to get paid what they think they are worth. The trouble is your employer may not think you are worth that to have you doing that job. Especially if you are living up to the job expectations your employer set out for you.

Lamar is about to find out what someone is willing to pay him to do the same job. If he doesn't live up to those expectations after that then that employer will question whether the Ravens weren't right all along.