The Ravens can’t be this dumb? They’re a smart organization right?

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People ask football questions on this board my man.

 

Also who is pissed?

 

 

I answered said question for you. You've been ranting for weeks on behalf of Lamar.  I think you are a bit perturbed that we are not taking up arms on his behalf along with you.

[CamWhoaaCam]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And lost to Steve Wilks with half a coaching staff 

Wilks was the best coach in the NFC South to be honest.

 

I won't let the Wilks slander slide. Rhule is the guy you should be questioning.

[CamWhoaaCam]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I answered said question for you. You've been ranting for weeks on behalf of Lamar.  I think you are a bit perturbed that we are not taking up arms on his behalf along with you.

I don't remember said conversation.

 

Can you show me some proof?

 

All I remember with you is Derek Carr discussion.

[stratocatter]

top dawg, you know QBs do not play each other.  Straw man. 
I think Mr fuzz is pretty straight on it. 
 

For me, I’d elaborate to include Lamar isn’t getting any younger, and when you factor in the style of play (that is what he is basing his pitch on, it’s his game). 
The style is risky, and worse: the effect seems to be cumulative, it compounds the issue the farther into the career you go. Or can, and the issue is total hits, you know, how long can a player go before a breakdown or a decline maybe I should say. 
When these numbers mount up they start to matter. Games, hits, pulls, strains, tears, concussions, whatever other metric you want to use. Miles. 

If he retracts a part of his game that contributed to his value, the team will be paying more and probably a lot more, for less. Some kind of less. TBD. But also to be expected. At some point in that contract he is liable to no longer be the guy he is today or may be next year. You know what I am saying? 
We watched Cam. 20 million a year and That roster spot, we were lucky. Now it is 45 million. Guaranteed too. 
Were I Baltimore I would franchise, franchise, release before I would sign the deal he is demanding. Or let someone give me the picks and financial flexibility to get the next QB and reset the clock.

If I were owner I would try to reason with him, and ask him not to back me into a corner.  
 

edit to add: I wrote from a Baltimore viewpoint, same goes for us, scepter we can’t franchise him obviously. I am bout to beg people to reclaim their senses and get out of this desperation ‘at all costs’ mentality that’s going around. Read a list of busted top ten picks or something. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by stratocatter

[CPcavedweller]

5 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

If they get 2 1sts for Lamar and someone else meets his demands they will jump all over that. 

Because Lamar hasn't finished the season in 3 of the last 5 years. So if his "prime" is being injured, I'd hate to see what the 2nd half of his career looks like. Who is paying a QB $250,000,000, guaranteed, to ride a bike?

Can you imagine? Just imagine. They have literally NO incentive to either want to play or work to restructure their deal. You won't be able to offload their contract because no one else will trade for that. And he plays a style of ball that will not translate well at all to aging. He is like a bottom 10 passer in the league as backed up by advanced statistics and is oft injured.

Good luck Lamar. It's not racist to not want to give you the Brinks truck because while effective when on the field, you have to be on the field to be worth the cash. I see his injury issues stacking up rather than magically disappearing. 

[Jon Snow]

28 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I don't remember said conversation.

 

Can you show me some proof?

 

All I remember with you is Derek Carr discussion.

Dude, you just quoted me on my comment about Lamar. This is the conversation. 

[Krovvy]

Lamar Jackson in Atlanta would be a nightmare scenario.

[frankw]

Two first round picks and a likely fully guaranteed 200 million dollar contract? He's good but he's not going to dig the Falcons out of that hole with that much tied up in acquiring him. Let them try

[Krovvy]

Just now, frankw said:

Two first round picks and a likely fully guaranteed 200 million dollar contract? He's good but he's not going to dig the Falcons out of that hole with that much tied up in acquiring him. Let them try

It would still be an awful team, but then the Ravens will probably take a shot at moving up to first overall.

[SmokinwithWilly]

Just now, frankw said:

Two first round picks and a likely fully guaranteed 200 million dollar contract? He's good but he's not going to dig the Falcons out of that hole with that much tied up in acquiring him. Let them try

It would be a very similar situation offensively though. Possible elite TE in Pitts (Andrews) and a young WR in London (Brown). 

[stratocatter]

He has to be on the field though.

I don’t mind watching a rival team step in it.
And if they sign him, we are going to want that to be a mistake no matter what you think of Jackson. 

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It would still be an awful team, but then the Ravens will probably take a shot at moving up to first overall.

Right that's why Fitterer/Reich better backup the "aggressive" talk and not get left in the wind. Hopefully they aren't anything like some of the wallet pinchers here or we're in trouble.

[CamWhoaaCam]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Dude, you just quoted me on my comment about Lamar. This is the conversation. 

Like I thought.

[stratocatter]

If the ‘wind’ is behind New Orleans and Carr, Panthers probably could have had Carr if they really wanted. 
If the wind is behind Crappy teams that get these top two or three QBs, there is One of them I would sweat. Stroud.

AR may be a worry but not for two or three years. Good luck to the team that rolls with Young that high. 
 Not one of them is a sure thing. 
 

Panthes need to play the Panthers’ game, not a reactive game. I think they are, with this lukewarm courtesy meeting interest level re Carr. 
I am really really against giving up all the draft picks to move up, but if they believe so strongly in it, like, if that is their plan, okay I will give it another look.