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QB breakdowns by Josh McCown

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46 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

Also, for me is the consistency in evaluating both prospects. If CJ's game against Georgia is evidence that he will use his athleticism more to create plays and perform better under pressure (because I can gladly admit on script with a clean pocket - he is the best QB in the draft) 

Then Bryce's performance against Georgia should hold equal weight as it included Jalen Carter, a healthy Nolan Smith, Kelee Ringo, and 5 other defenders that went into the first round last year. 

"The Bama signal-caller took a sack on just 12.5% of his pressured dropbacks in college, an extremely low rate, while his 69.6 pressured-passing grade and 9.3 yards per attempt while under pressure both ranked second at the position."

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Young was an amazing college QB. If we pick him I hope it translates as well as most people say. I would be ecstatic to be wrong if that is the case.

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11 minutes ago, frankw said:

If we're excluding drafting a QB at 1 based on how they react to being pressured we probably wouldn't have even traded up in the first place. And to Young's under pressure numbers how many of those plays did he drop back several steps and dance around the pocket for 5 seconds plus? That's not happening in the NFL.

No, it's part of a QBs profile that you use to rank the prospects. I'm sure they are evaluating all the variables that impact their performance which will include pressure. 

Also, you have a habit of turning anything that Bryce excels at into a caricature - he dances around in the pocket and throws the ball up for grabs 

His frame is a concern. However, I have to go with his injury history - surgeries, missed games, etc. He's missed one game as a starter and has no reported surgeries.  I'm sure the teams will have his complete medical history, even when he stubbed his toe. 

My input doesn't matter as I'm not part of the Panthers brain trust. Yet until the pick is announced I would take the risk on Bryce because I've consistently listened or read that his tape is better or he is graded as the top QB, even on the majority of mocks that list CJ at 1. 

 

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3 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

No, it's part of a QBs profile that you use to rank the prospects. I'm sure they are evaluating all the variables that impact their performance which will include pressure. 

Also, you have a habit of turning anything that Bryce excels at into a caricature - he dances around in the pocket and throws the ball up for grabs 

His frame is a concern. However, I have to go with his injury history - surgeries, missed games, etc. He's missed one game as a starter and has no reported surgeries.  I'm sure the teams will have his complete medical history, even when he stubbed his toe. 

My input doesn't matter as I'm not part of the Panthers brain trust. Yet until the pick is announced I would take the risk on Bryce because I've consistently listened or read that his tape is better or he is graded as the top QB, even on the majority of mocks that list CJ at 1.

We are just offering our opinions to pass the time.

In my mind excelling at scrambling in college and the NFL are different animals. Yes there are traits both he and Stroud have that directly translate but that's the one I'm less impressed with overall because due to the fact he would he the smallest starting QB in the NFL it will not be a feature of his game if the braintrust tab him for the top pick. If they value their job security they will have him keeping that to a minimum and keep him relatively clean. We should and will also seek to shore up the oline even more to compensate. Now would NOT be the time to go back to our past approach of thinking the OL is further along than it actually is. I expect moves to solidify our OL depth to be made if he's the pick.

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10 minutes ago, Martin said:

Young was an amazing college QB. If we pick him I hope it translates as well as most people say. I would be ecstatic to be wrong if that is the case.

I think any of the QBs - Stroud, Young, Richardson even Levis and Hooker that may have me scratching my head will be put in a position to succeed here. 

We just have a difference in who we prefer at 1, which is perfectly fine. 

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2 minutes ago, Martin said:

These two videos have been great. Warner is raving about his ability to move in the pocket, read the defense, go through his progression, awareness of where to go with the ball etc. This shows why a lot of us are so high on him as our pick.

It seems like pundits that actually played the position in the NFL usually appreciate CJ's skill-set over others in the draft. He does a good job at the end of the video explaining why he's high on Stroud.

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26 minutes ago, DrowsyJungle said:

It seems like pundits that actually played the position in the NFL usually appreciate CJ's skill-set over others in the draft. He does a good job at the end of the video explaining why he's high on Stroud.

Warner, very quietly, is probably putting out the best videos out of Simms / JT O'Sullivan / McCown etc.

Helps that they were all journeymen and he's a Hall of Famer I guess. 

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10 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Warner, very quietly, is probably putting out the best videos out of Simms / JT O'Sullivan / McCown etc.

Helps that they were all journeymen and he's a Hall of Famer I guess. 

He certainly has the least to prove and is probably the least insecure about their takes

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13 hours ago, csx said:

I think JT approaches it like it's done in the actual QB room. It's rather detailed but with all the stopping and replaying the same plays it's slow for the average fan to consume. 

I enjoy O'Sullivan's videos - albeit he's not too hot on the overall evaluations it seems - but I appreciate how detailed he gets with the footwork / play concept breakdown. Really gives you an insight into what the players are working with and what they have to work on.

I just think Warner says more with less. 

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

I enjoy O'Sullivan's videos - albeit he's not too hot on the overall evaluations it seems - but I appreciate how detailed he gets with the footwork / play concept breakdown. Really gives you an insight into what the players are working with and what they have to work on.

I just think Warner says more with less. 

He does some great breakdowns, but follows it with, never mind what I just showed you, this is how I feel.

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16 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I enjoy O'Sullivan's videos - albeit he's not too hot on the overall evaluations it seems - but I appreciate how detailed he gets with the footwork / play concept breakdown. Really gives you an insight into what the players are working with and what they have to work on.

I just think Warner says more with less. 

Yeah I usually disagree with who he puts the blame on when there is a drop or bad route/O-line breakdown or whatever. JT/Josh/Warner all have different opinions. Josh and Warner actually played a substantial amount and seem to have a more omniscient view of how they break down tape

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