Offensive Line Is Main Priority

[CRA]

Just now, BenjaminBreeg said:

Honestly, the QB position is the biggest problem right now. The O-line isn't as horrendous as many are making it out to be. 

it's pretty bad in this O.  I mean, if you cherry picked out all the plays Bryce is adding the issue....the OL is still flat out bad. 

but some of that is also just flat out the predictability of it all working against them.  Which isn't even Bryce or their own talent.  Frank Reich's O here made Jeff Davidson and every horrific playcaller in our history look better. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

Honestly, the QB position is the biggest problem right now. The O-line isn't as horrendous as many are making it out to be. 

Not if we do what their skill set dictates, at least.

The promise coming in was that we would tailor the schemes to fit the players we have. It's ideally what coaches are supposed to do.

That didn't happen.

Mind you, the scheme probably fits Bryce okay. Our linemen? Not so much.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[csx]

I think it was Andy Reid who said in early 2000s. When in doubt take linemen. So simple 

[Newbie]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He did all last year, and did pretty well when we had the run heavy scheme under Steve Wilks.

Icky played LT and BC played LG under Wilkes. BC started the last 2 or 3 games and one other earlier in the season a couple of years ago at LT. He was ok and all of us were ok with ok. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not if we do what their skill set dictates, at least.

The promise coming in was that we would tailor the schemes to fit the players we have. It's ideally what coaches are supposed to do.

That didn't happen.

Mind you, the scheme probably fits Bryce okay. Our linemen? Not so much.

big picture, if you decided to draft Bryce Young....the only smart play would be to ultimately cater an O to him.  Given his limitations. 

not that we really did that.  Frank largely was just doing what he likes with a tiny Bryce tweak.  We didn't bring in a playcaller to build a scheme around him, we didn't add skill talent to match that and we don't have an OL for it.  

Nothing fit.  I mean, we could 100% cater to our OL.  That just lowers Bryce's potential ceiling having him in that O and makes the pick even more pointless/bad than it already looks. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, csx said:

I think it was Andy Reid who said in early 2000s. When in doubt take linemen. So simple 

Just not long snappers...

4 minutes ago, Newbie said:

Icky played LT and BC played LG under Wilkes. BC started the last 2 or 3 games and one other earlier in the season a couple of years ago at LT. He was ok and all of us were ok with ok. 

Back when Rhule didn't believe he could play left tackle because he had short arms

Christensen certainly made a good guard. In our current scheme, he might have been better suited to play left tackle than Ickey.

Is he a long-term solution at that position though? Eeehhh, don't know about that.

If they move Ickey inside, Christensen might wind up as our utility guy Geoff Hangartner's old role).or potentially at right guard if Corbett can't return to form.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[heel31ok]

37 minutes ago, restNChrist said:

I say it every year and every year it proves true.  We are only as good as our O-line.  I know we need receivers and corners and a whole lot of things… but if we truly want to know if we have something with Bryce we must use FA and draft to build up the line first.  
 

The only problem with this strategy is I don’t trust our front office to scout the right O linemen.  Ex. Ickey!  

What a novel idea.The geniuses will never go for such an antiquated approach.Quick question.So possibly it could have helped us to take best Olineman in draft at #9 and then the best qb or multiple picks in a trade this coming draft? 

[BenjaminBreeg]

Just now, CRA said:

it's pretty bad in this O.  I mean, if you cherry picked out all the plays Bryce is adding the issue....the OL is still flat out bad. 

but some of that is also just flat out the predictability of it all working against them.  Which isn't even Bryce or their own talent.  Frank Reich's O here made Jeff Davidson and every horrific playcaller in our history look better. 

 

Oh the line definitely needs fixing, but QB play needs to improve massively too. A lot of people see the sack numbers and automatically assume it's an O-line problem (not saying this is you), but sack is as much of a QB stat as an O-line stat. Bryce's dropbacks are too shallow and don't create enough depth for the O-line to block effectively. He also holds onto the ball for far too long which, when combined with his lack of pocket awareness and elusiveness as well as his unwillingness to climb the pocket, result in more sacks.

 

 

 

 

[BY9Franchise]

23 minutes ago, CRA said:

it remains a massive red flag....to of jumped around the league for years and then could only find a home on Matt Rhule's staff.  Never got the hype some made with him. 

He spent 11 years as the Packers Oline coach...

 

Hopping twice when HCs got fired isn't uncommon....

 

He's spent more time in one place than many other touted line coaches have 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

A lot of people see the sack numbers and automatically assume it's an O-line problem (not saying this is you), but sack is as much of a QB stat as an O-line stat. Bryce's dropbacks are too shallow and don't create enough depth for the O-line to block effectively. He also holds onto the ball for far too long which, when combined with his lack of pocket awareness and elusiveness as well as his unwillingness to climb the pocket, result in more sacks.

I's agree he holds onto the ball too long, though to be fair there are plenty of times when nobody is open.

That's another thing that needs fixed, probably even more so than the line.

[BY9Franchise]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I's agree he holds onto the ball too long, though to be fair there are plenty of times when nobody is open.

That's another thing that needs fixed, probably even more so than the line.

Whenever you look at all 22 when he's holding the ball forever all of the WRs are smothered.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, BY9Franchise said:

He spent 11 years as the Packers Oline coach...

Hopping twice when HCs got fired isn't uncommon....

He's spent more time in one place than many other touted line coaches have 

And he coached the line we had last year. He's a legitimately good OL coach.

Unfortunately, there might be a deeper problem.

The story is out there now that assistant coaches were going to the owner talking about the head coach behind his back. There's suspicion that Campen was one of the people to do that.

Did he? No idea.

But someone did, and if a new head coach knows that, it might be a tough ask for him to trust anybody from the current staff.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[BY9Franchise]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

And he coached the line we had last year. He's a legitimately good OL coach.

Unfortunately, there might be a deeper problem.

The story is out there now that assistant coaches were going to the owner talking about the head coach behind his back. There's suspicion that Campen was one of the people to do that.

Did he? No idea.

But someone did, and if a new head coach knows that, it might be a tough ask for him to trust anybody from the current staff.

None of it would surprise me honestly I don't care about any of that drama, and to be honest I would have if I were him Reich forcing a ZBS with our personal was like huffing a muffler.

[Selltheteamtepper]

QB is our biggest need, followed by interior line. Young is putting the line in bad spots and making them look worse than they are with sloppy footwork, an inconsistent drop back, holding the ball, not being able to throw over the line when they get pushed back, scrambling too often, not throwing the ball away; hes honestly a nightmare to protect. That’s why the Russini report focused on Young’s footwork. This is more or less the same line we had last year. Do you really think they regressed this much? Or do you think the QB change caused it? Let’s be honest.