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Bryce Young ready to get back to work, grow as a leader

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7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I think simple exercises like this “back to basics” will help with his fundamentals. It’s boring but probably needed for Young and this offense in general. 

Oh I agree. Now is the time to address the footwork so we can see some progress in time for training camp. It's almost May time is of the essence. Hopefully Bryce can work whatever that bunny hop thing is out of his habits too. If we see that in the regular season Dave Canales is in trouble.

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35 minutes ago, frankw said:

Oh I agree. Now is the time to address the footwork so we can see some progress in time for training camp. It's almost May time is of the essence. Hopefully Bryce can work whatever that bunny hop thing is out of his habits too. If we see that in the regular season Dave Canales is in trouble.

I doubt you can change that much in a handful of weeks.  Bryce is largely what he is going to be I would think.   Especially, when it comes to play breaking down instincts that got him to the NFL.  

Think you fix Bryce by giving him a good scheme with open playmakers to go to dish to.  He doesn’t have the tools to play in a mess. 

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20 minutes ago, CRA said:

I doubt you can change that much in a handful of weeks.  Bryce is largely what he is going to be I would think.   Especially, when it comes to play breaking down instincts that got him to the NFL.  

Think you fix Bryce by giving him a good scheme with open playmakers to go to dish to.  

The issue is there's 16 games worth of tape on Bryce Young. His bad habits are going to be immediately amplified if he reverts to them. Defenses are waiting for it. Also as another poster above rightly pointed out. He's got to start putting some oomph on these passes. That's also on tape. That's why us fans and his first GM who was fired wanted him to get into the weight room at any capacity but he took time off to do nothing.

Whatever happens it won't be for a lack of trying. I think Dave Canales is the right hire to work with a QB like Bryce. The issue is we have no idea if he is the right hire to fix the overall offense and team or how he will handle that level of responsibility on gamedays with only one year of coordinating. I think this is either going to go really well or it's going to spiral. For all the talk of how bad Reich was and yes he was we really got much worse after he was fired and that's what Canales is inheriting.

All of this is why I say it is important we have another young QB around just in case. Even a UFA.

Also drafting a center for Bryce or whomever.

We just need something anything to build on. Sustaining drives and getting into the end zone more often should be goals 1-3. We were h-o-r-r-e-n-d-o-u-s.

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3 minutes ago, frankw said:

 

All of this is why I say it is important we have another young QB around just in case. Even a UFA.

Also drafting a center for Bryce or whomever.

 

I know Canales did his coach speak thing and said he wanted another vet in the qb room, but after looking at the available FA's I think we should really just grab a day 3 guy in the draft or UFA. Dalton has all the vet experience they need in the meeting room. Honestly after these two days I think Bryce needs some competition to get him out his comfort zone. 

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1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

I know Canales did his coach speak thing and said he wanted another vet in the qb room, but after looking at the available FA's I think we should really just grab a day 3 guy in the draft or UFA. Dalton has all the vet experience they need in the meeting room. Honestly after these two days I think Bryce needs some competition to get him out his comfort zone. 

Absolutely.

No matter how any of us may feel about Bryce Young's viability or if we believe he will turn things around. As Panthers fans who have seen only 2 long term QB's out of several dozen total in the span of nearly 3 decades history unequivocally tells us one thing for certain. Competition is a good thing.

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46 minutes ago, frankw said:

The issue is there's 16 games worth of tape on Bryce Young. His bad habits are going to be immediately amplified if he reverts to them. Defenses are waiting for it. Also as another poster above rightly pointed out. He's got to start putting some oomph on these passes. That's also on tape. That's why us fans and his first GM who was fired wanted him to get into the weight room at any capacity but he took time off to do nothing.

Whatever happens it won't be for a lack of trying. I think Dave Canales is the right hire to work with a QB like Bryce. The issue is we have no idea if he is the right hire to fix the overall offense and team or how he will handle that level of responsibility on gamedays with only one year of coordinating. I think this is either going to go really well or it's going to spiral. For all the talk of how bad Reich was and yes he was we really got much worse after he was fired and that's what Canales is inheriting.

All of this is why I say it is important we have another young QB around just in case. Even a UFA.

Also drafting a center for Bryce or whomever.

We just need something anything to build on. Sustaining drives and getting into the end zone more often should be goals 1-3. We were h-o-r-r-e-n-d-o-u-s.

I mean, Bryce’s arm is what it is.   I don’t see us solving anything by telling him he needs to throw with more oomph.  You can’t really coach him into much more of a stronger arm.  You aren’t to solve some of his limitations in traditional pocket either.  

we need a good creative scheme with actual playmakers….and frankly for him to be a dink and dunk PG.  That’s his game.  Accept what you drafted.  Not saying he can’t take a shot here and there but that’s not what he is. 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, Bryce’s arm is what it is.   I don’t see us solving anything by telling him he needs to throw with more oomph.  You can’t really coach him into much more of a stronger arm 

we need a good creative scheme with actual playmakers….and frankly for him to be a dink and dunk PG.  That’s his game.  Accept what you drafted.  Not saying he can’t take a shot here and there but that’s not what he is. 
 

 

Playmakers like the one we traded for him right?

For some reason I can hear "Hello Darkness My Old Friend" in the background..

So what you're really saying is:

QB first round next year.

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35 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I know Canales did his coach speak thing and said he wanted another vet in the qb room, but after looking at the available FA's I think we should really just grab a day 3 guy in the draft or UFA. Dalton has all the vet experience they need in the meeting room. Honestly after these two days I think Bryce needs some competition to get him out his comfort zone. 

Is there any evidence Dalton is actually a good vet to have around young QB?  I mean just because you were a decent starter doesn’t make you an ideal vet mentor. 

I still think we needed to change things up more given what a trainwreck last season was  

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    • CRA
      Where would the Panthers be if they sat Bryce Young last season?

      By CRA · Posted

      And I’m fine with that.   But, with an impatient owner….that carries high odds of just him employing a new HC in the not distant future.  The “we will see if the scheme that doesn’t fit our #1 overall pick QB works or not” approach seems like a rocky plan for all.  If I was Canales I would give it shot but demanded I need to be able to sign a legit backup QB in case what I was given just doesn’t work and can transition at the end of the year 
    • PNW_PantherMan
      Where would the Panthers be if they sat Bryce Young last season?

      By PNW_PantherMan · Posted

      That's really unlikely to happen.  The reality is, they are building for what Canales wants to do.  That's what all coaches do.  And if Bryce can't do that, he's another peg that has to be replaced.
    • Gapanthersfan
      Where would the Panthers be if they sat Bryce Young last season?

      By Gapanthersfan · Posted

      There is nothing unpopular at all about your opinion. How everything played out on the field backs it up. Bryce starts the season with much fanfare, gives the atl game away, and showed anyone who watched that his arm talent was shockingly bad. bad look, so after a few weeks, the team cooks up a fake injury that nobody saw, presumably to decide what direction to go next. Enter Dalton for one game while Bryce is seen walking comfortably on the sideline, smiling and yucking it up like he’s a 5 year vet.  Dalton performs admirably given the circumstances (please no Dalton ve Bryce retort). The contrast between the two was so strong that it’s still debated today. If Dalton’s performance was similar to what Bryce had done up to that point, I truly believe they would have sat Bryce longer, but it wasn’t.  Dalton relied on vet savvy and a better arm. It’s debatable how many games that gets us. Meaningless to fans, but not to players with serious financial incentives on the line.  What it really was, was a ‘young man (see what I did?)’ playing a grown man’s game, who lacked basic fundamentals and essential physical talent, behind a line that was VERY ill suited for the scheme forced on them, WRs who looked completely confused and unmotivated, with a back stabbing coaching staff in give up mode, GM who I wouldn’t trust to organize my cooking utensil drawer and an owner who meets with coaches every week and tells them which plays he likes and which ones he doesn’t.  Bryce doesn’t get a mulligan, but I’m willing to give him a ‘my bad’ from the team. Last season stunk worse than Bigfoot’s di**. It literally can’t get ANY worse than the unwatchable sh** show that was last year.  I have to see a monumental change in his physical ability and overall confidence. I have to see that he found a laser arm, somewhere, in the offseason, or everything else is irrelevant. 
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