Updated 2025 draft order

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

And tank for Tua, tank for Trevor. And so on and so forth. Fwiw, I don't remember a single tank for Mahomes comment.

Watch it be the same with the Tank for Manning. Boy some guys just get that crown and people get completely blinded to all issues.

[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, frankw said:

I think it's important to be realistic about all this "winning for the culture" talk.

Did we change the culture in 2019 with that brief Kyle Allen win streak?

Did we change the culture in 2020 winning a few games with Bridgewater?

Did we change the culture in 2021 with that 3 game win streak with Sam Darnold?

Did we change the culture in 2022 winning meaningless games with Steve Wilks?

Last I checked even after all that our culture fully bottomed out last year and the beginning of this year.

Let's just maintain perspective that sustained winning is the only thing that is going to change this culture. One or two wins here and there against awful teams are good for a brief high but that's it. No more no less. What will truly start to change the tide is defeating really good teams. Until then. You can talk about culture all you want. We're still just spinning our wheels.

The point is not that winning a few games will change the culture. It's more that intentionally setting up your team to lose never changes things for the positive.  

I fully agree with getting rid of expensive players that can't help you long term for draft picks.  This is a strategic move and if properly implemented, can help. Cowboys did that with Herschel Walker. And got a few SB's out of it. And of getting rid of players that don't work out. But just dumping the team for slew of draft picks doest work. 

[BullCityP]

4 hours ago, frankw said:

I think it's important to be realistic about all this "winning for the culture" talk.

Did we change the culture in 2019 with that brief Kyle Allen win streak?

Did we change the culture in 2020 winning a few games with Bridgewater?

Did we change the culture in 2021 with that 3 game win streak with Sam Darnold?

Did we change the culture in 2022 winning meaningless games with Steve Wilks?

Last I checked even after all that our culture fully bottomed out last year and the beginning of this year.

Let's just maintain perspective that sustained winning is the only thing that is going to change this culture. One or two wins here and there against awful teams are good for a brief high but that's it. No more no less. What will truly start to change the tide is defeating really good teams. Until then. You can talk about culture all you want. We're still just spinning our wheels.

You know the common theme to those teams you named? Each season we had either a new QB or a new Coach. It's hard to build a culture when you're constantly going after the shiny new toy that's gonna save the day! And most of the people in here want to continue the cycle by getting rid of Bryce like that's going to automatically change anything. 

[BullCityP]

6 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

There is no debate with you. You have to call people dumb just be they don't agree with you. I can tell you never played sports in your life. You have a loser mentality.

 

Win games consistently is how you build winning habits. We haven't done that in a long time. A few wins doesn't change that point blank.

 

Nothing else to talk about here buddy.

How do you purposely tank? Do you tell the players not to play hard? Do you tell the coaches to call bad plays? We're already playing our young players to develop so that can't be it so please explain what you would want the Panthers to do?

[frankw]

9 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

You know the common theme to those teams you named? Each season we had either a new QB or a new Coach. It's hard to build a culture when you're constantly going after the shiny new toy that's gonna save the day! And most of the people in here want to continue the cycle by getting rid of Bryce like that's going to automatically change anything. 

We absolutely need to reset this QB room I don't know how or why that's up for debate with some people. This narrative that suddenly we can win with Bryce Young when our run game is carrying the load against teams with poor run defenses is just waiting to burst. We will not compete with and beat the best teams in the league with 126 yards passing and 1 touchdown it is simple as that. If anyone wants to entertain a notion otherwise that's their business but reality is reality.

[BullCityP]

11 minutes ago, frankw said:

We absolutely need to reset this QB room I don't know how or why that's up for debate with some people. This narrative that suddenly we can win with Bryce Young when our run game is carrying the load against teams with poor run defenses is just waiting to burst. We will not compete with and beat the best teams in the league with 126 yards passing and 1 touchdown it is simple as that. If anyone wants to entertain a notion otherwise that's their business but reality is reality.

18/25 151 yards 2tds 2int that was a stat line for Patrick Mahomes in a win vs Cincinnati ealier this year. Why would we need to pass the ball when the running game was working so well?  If we started slinging it all over the place ya'll would've started crying about Canalas not running it enough lol. The huddle will find a way to complain regardless 

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

18/25 151 yards 2tds 2int that was a stat line for Patrick Mahomes in a win vs Cincinnati ealier this year. Why would we need to pass the ball when the running game was working so well?  If we started slinging it all over the place ya'll would've started crying about Canalas not running it enough lol. The huddle will find a way to complain regardless 

So your rebuttal is comparing Bryce Young to Patrick Mahomes?

[BullCityP]

Just now, frankw said:

So your rebuttal is comparing Bryce Young to Patrick Mahomes?

My rebuttal is I can pull up bad stat lines for good QBs ALL DAY lol. At the end of the day NONE of these QBs in this draft are better than Bryce. But if we choose one I hope I'm wrong and he ends up a hall of famer but I doubt it. Making change just for the sake of making change doesnt make sense. 

[Shotgun]

20 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

18/25 151 yards 2tds 2int that was a stat line for Patrick Mahomes in a win vs Cincinnati ealier this year. Why would we need to pass the ball when the running game was working so well?  If we started slinging it all over the place ya'll would've started crying about Canalas not running it enough lol. The huddle will find a way to complain regardless 

[Shotgun]

18 hours ago, BullCityP said:

How do you purposely tank? Do you tell the players not to play hard? Do you tell the coaches to call bad plays? We're already playing our young players to develop so that can't be it so please explain what you would want the Panthers to do?

You trade away your best players in season for draft picks. Like we did with CMC. Doesn’t mean you are going to lose but a team going all in to win doesn’t do that. 

[PootieNunu]

18 hours ago, BullCityP said:

My rebuttal is I can pull up bad stat lines for good QBs ALL DAY lol. At the end of the day NONE of these QBs in this draft are better than Bryce. But if we choose one I hope I'm wrong and he ends up a hall of famer but I doubt it. Making change just for the sake of making change doesnt make sense. 

Bryce is ass cheeks 

18 hours ago, BullCityP said:

18/25 151 yards 2tds 2int that was a stat line for Patrick Mahomes in a win vs Cincinnati ealier this year. Why would we need to pass the ball when the running game was working so well?  If we started slinging it all over the place ya'll would've started crying about Canalas not running it enough lol. The huddle will find a way to complain regardless 

That's a bad game for mahomes, that would be one of the best games of Busts career. 

The guy sucks and limits the entire offense, if you cannot see that then you don't know what you are watching. 

[Davidson Deac II]

36 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

You trade away your best players in season for draft picks. Like we did with CMC. Doesn’t mean you are going to lose but a team going all in to win doesn’t do that. 

You are confusing smart strategic moves with tanking.

Sending one or two high priced players away for draft picks isn't tanking. Tanking is trading or cutting all or most of your best players in the hope that your will have several great drafts and in a few years have a team of young great players.  

Its what the Dolphins did in 2019, and they still suck.  

Historically bad Dolphins and the trouble with tanking - Sports Illustrated

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“Some teams in the NFL, they have high draft picks every year, and yet they still stay at the bottom,” Johnson says. He points to the Eric Dickerson trade in 1987, in which the Rams sent the All-Pro running back to Indianapolis for a package that included three first-round and three second-round picks. Armed with that haul, the Rams selected 28 players over the next two drafts—none of whom made even one Pro Bowl with the team.

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“The thing that concerns me is, when you when you have a bad football team, and as bad as what the Dolphins have looked, the remaining players get bad habits,” Johnson says. “If you’re a professional football player and you don’t think that you have a chance to win, it’s frustrating. You have players like Fitzpatrick who want to get out of there. You don’t prepare as well because you don’t think you’re going to win anyway. There’s a danger of creating a culture of losing to where bringing in players the next year won’t help. You don’t want to ever eliminate the goal at the end; you don’t want to eliminate hope for the remaining team.”

 

Edited November 13, 2024 by Davidson Deac II

[rayzor]

20 hours ago, BullCityP said:

How do you purposely tank? Do you tell the players not to play hard? Do you tell the coaches to call bad plays? We're already playing our young players to develop so that can't be it so please explain what you would want the Panthers to do?

this is one of the most the stupifying thing about it. 

do you just tell the players to not try? half ass it? put in the worst players? no game plan? intentionally throw games? 

@Champagnepapi704 @CamWhoaaCam

[rayzor]

i'll just say this...i hope we win out.