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Defense, Defense and Defense. Or trade down and defense. If this current Bryce shows up next year and these rookies keep developing offense will be fine. Of course Tmac or Burden help. But what other WR's come in and start over XL, Coker, or Theilen with Sanders at Tight end.  I'm all for WR in middle rounds to prepare for life after AT but develop for a year.

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2 hours ago, trucpfan said:

Damn that changed everything lol well dam if that's the list I'm definitely changing my tune on how productive he may end up that damn tweet is confusing it's going to be a really interesting draft for us.

Yea, seems like a tweet written to get interactions, as that follow up he made completely changes it.  If he included those names in the first tweet, it would have entirely changed how people took it.

Like I said, if you've watched every snap of his like I have, he has zero issue getting separation, his contested targets are because of the double/triple teams as well as the QB just forcing it to him when he is covered (as no WR gets open on EVERY route they run no matter how good they are).

When a QB/WR combo in college have played together for literally the last 8 years of their lives and are best friends, as well as having no other receiving threats, you're going to see a lot of that QB just trusting his WR to make a play and chuck it up to him when he shouldn't.

No, he's not a quick twitch athlete like a Tyreek and going to get separation in that same way, but as I've said every time people mention T-Mac's size and assume he's just a plodding big WR... he's not.  He has MORE than enough speed and wiggle in his game to get the job done at an elite level in the NFL, he just also happens to be 6'5" with a catch radius the NFL hasn't seen since Calvin Johnson.

And any "lack of separation" he might have compared to those 6' quick twitch speedsters, is negated by how great he is at making contested catches.

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40 minutes ago, PappyMay said:

Defense, Defense and Defense. Or trade down and defense. If this current Bryce shows up next year and these rookies keep developing offense will be fine. Of course Tmac or Burden help. But what other WR's come in and start over XL, Coker, or Theilen with Sanders at Tight end.  I'm all for WR in middle rounds to prepare for life after AT but develop for a year.

We will have cap room and for the most part, the best free agents every year are on the defensive side of the ball because teams try not to let their offensive stars hit the open market.

Drafting defense early in the draft won't have as much of an impact as adding T-Mac would, especially if we use all our cap room on the defense in free agency.

If T-Mac is there, he's the pick, he's literally the best player/fit combo in the draft for this franchise and the current state of the roster.  XL has potential but he's never going to be that true outside #1.

The best defensive players in the draft are two CBs and a DT, the only positions on defense that we have potential pro bowl talent right now.  None of the QB's in this draft make sense to go for after we made the Bryce mistake so recently and still have so many holes.  We're set on the offensive line right now except Center, which obviously you don't use a Top 5 pick for.

If we end up around 10, T-Mac isn't going to be there and it's the right place in this draft to go after an edge rusher, but if we're at about 5, T-Mac really needs to be the target.

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7 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Why did this guy end the tweet with "Yikes" as if this is a bad stat just because those other players haven't become anything in the NFL?

I'm not as familiar with those other guys' college games, maybe they had so many contested targets because they weren't great route runners and separating, but T-Mac's is because he's is CONSTANTLY double and even triple teamed and Fifita has been forcing passes to him because there is nobody else to pass to.

And yet he still is coming down with the ball most of the time

To me, this is just another feather in his cap for why he's such an elite prospect.

It is a very bad stat.  Guys that don't get separation in college are often very bad in the nfl.

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34 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

It is a very bad stat.  Guys that don't get separation in college are often very bad in the nfl.

It’s a misleading stat

As I also pointed out, the guy followed that tweet up by saying the next names on the list are some of the best young WRs in the league right now.

That stat doesn’t mean he can’t get separation, it means he’s getting double and triple teamed all the time, and the lack of other quality options in that offense means the QB is constantly forcing the ball to him when he shouldn’t be.  

AND he still makes those contested catches because his hands and catch radius are so good.

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11 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

It’s a misleading stat

As I also pointed out, the guy followed that tweet up by saying the next names on the list are some of the best young WRs in the league right now.

That stat doesn’t mean he can’t get separation, it means he’s getting double and triple teamed all the time, and the lack of other quality options in that offense means the QB is constantly forcing the ball to him when he shouldn’t be.  

AND he still makes those contested catches because his hands and catch radius are so good.

I'm aware of how you feel about him and how you are going to interpret any metric.  

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On 12/5/2024 at 4:23 PM, Ricky Prickles said:

Yeah he put it together one season decently and has not since. I've seen hundreds of college QB's very up close and Lawrence is in the top 5% easily of all I've seen in terms of impressed me and what I saw him do but that is definitely a long time removed now and something isn't clicking with him. Don't know what it is or why but I hope he figured it out for his sake.

Accuracy. He has everything else but pinpoint accuracy.

In College that Clemson system just asked him to get the ball to a spot on time. Whenever he was asked to put it in a tight window / to the back shoulder he couldn't do it consistently. 

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