A Tankathon Approach to the remaining Schedule

[Jaxel]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not saying don't trade for him or at least consider it, but I also don't want to give up a king's ransom for a guy that bolts in a couple of years because he never wanted to be here in the first place.

And this is all speculative. We have no idea what his feelings about us are. I am just saying that in general I don't want guys that really, really don't want to be here.

I think that's fair, but players opinions change. He might not initially want to be there, but if we are competitive next year and he leads the way in making that happen, I bet his opinion changes.

[Jaxel]

I think free agency can set us up well in the draft too. A lot of potential upgrades at pass rusher, defense back, and wide receiver. It will be interesting to see what direction Dan takes.

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well in this context we are talking about "talent."

The pool of players that have potential to be top 10 players at their position is fairly small in this draft. This is largely the general of view this class. 

That doesn't mean you can't get very good players or starters. It doesn't mean guys won't perform better than their "projections." That happens all the time.

But these general takes on a class or position tend to be correct more often than they aren't. 

Good recent example was that 2022 QB class which was largely viewed as one of the worst in recent memory. And, it's largely been that....minus Brock Purdy. But the entire rest of that class is 2nd or 3rd string QB's after amassing a LOT of games started. 

I think the top 10 are due the overall lack of studs in this draft more than they are studs themselves. But that is just my opinion i suppose. Hell I thought Bo Nix was a wasted pick by Denver.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I think that's fair, but players opinions change. He might not initially want to be there, but if we are competitive next year and he leads the way in making that happen, I bet his opinion changes.

Yeah, I mean I am all for getting a player like that. I just doubt it happens. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I think free agency can set us up well in the draft too. A lot of potential upgrades at pass rusher, defense back, and wide receiver. It will be interesting to see what direction Dan takes.

I trust Dan way more on the pro personnel side than I do the draft evaluations. Pretty bad draft in 2024, very Fitterer-esque(something I said at the time too).

Hope he turns it around this offseason.

[Jaxel]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I mean I am all for getting a player like that. I just doubt it happens. 

True, but it's fun to talk about.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think the top 10 are due the overall lack of studs in this draft more than they are studs themselves. But that is just my opinion i suppose. Hell I thought Bo Nix was a wasted pick by Denver.

Well the QB's are only up there because of the lack of elite talent at the position, I wholly agree with that and I think most do. 

I think McMillian and Hunter are geniunely elite talent. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, who in their right mind wouldn't make that trade?

Horn is a very good player but he is less likely to end up being elite at his position than Wilson is, IMO.

Wilson is a 1000 yard WR on a bad team...Horn has been injured more than he plays and he gets more than his share of penalties--to get something you have to give something up--We are about to have to pay Horn a max salary for part time performance--you have to factor his contract status, injury history, and the fact that he has 1 interception in over 1000 snaps, penalties--it is not as incredible as it sounds.  However, I get that the quiet CB is the best CB--and there are games when you don't know Horn is out there.  But if you are looking beyond the actual players and at their entire situation, it makes sense.  Wilson would save you a lot of cap room vs. the Horn contract for a season.  It would allow you to sign a solid DT and maybe another solid CB in free agency. 

So if you look at the big picture, you will see that an impulsive reaction is unjustified.  It would be a risky chess move, but one that can be defended or critiqued--by people who have the ability to see the big picture and analyze multiple perspectives.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Well the QB's are only up there because of the lack of elite talent at the position, I wholly agree with that and I think most do. 

I think McMillian and Hunter are geniunely elite talent. 

Hunter needs to stick to defense. McMillan is an enigma that I haven't decided on yet. Competition makes a difference.

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think the top 10 are due the overall lack of studs in this draft more than they are studs themselves. But that is just my opinion i suppose. Hell I thought Bo Nix was a wasted pick by Denver.

I thought Chicago made the right QB choice....I thought Atlanta was stupid (still may be) for signing Cousins and then taking Pennix.   I saw the Nix Brees similarities, so when Payton took Nix, I knew he knew what he was doing--but I did not see it.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, MHS831 said:

I thought Chicago made the right QB choice....I thought Atlanta was stupid (still may be) for signing Cousins and then taking Pennix.   I saw the Nix Brees similarities, so when Payton took Nix, I knew he knew what he was doing--but I did not see it.

Chicago made the wrong choice, again. Pennix I knew nothing about. Nix was 50/50 but that looks to be 80/20 at the moment. Daniel's I did not see coming.

[Jaxel]

I think the McMillian criticisms remind a lot of Keenan Allen back before he was drafted. Slow, inconsistent routes, etc... but to me it was clear Keenan was a top WR. Yet he fell to the second some how.

[jamos14]

Just now, Jaxel said:

I think the McMillian criticisms remind a lot of Keenan Allen back before he was drafted. Slow, inconsistent routes, etc... but to me it was clear Keenan was a top WR. Yet he fell to the second some how.

Not an awful comparison.

 

But McMillan is going top 10; no question. Even with a slowish 40time.

[45catfan]

37 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

There have been gems found late at WR every year.  Everyone is saying that we need a #1, and I get it.  However, Coker and XL are rookies and they will improve--how much?  Who knows.  Theilen has been great, but of course, he is showing signs of aging-drives with his turn signal on and goes to Golden Corral at 4:30 for dinner.  Last year was the year to grab a #1--I am not even sure the best WR in this draft will be a #1.  Kids can be successful in college with suspect hands and bad route running--if they can run they get overevaluated, in my view.  I think a kid who runs crisp routes, is fundamentally sound, has great hands, etc. would give us what we need--especially if we get a top TE--which may be the way to go in a down WR market and draft.  Sanders is showing signs--and he would still be effective as the #2 WR.  Tremble as the #3.  The kid from Penn State could be the sleeper pick in round 2.  Mark my wirds!!

Round 2 for Warren?  I see some sites having him ahead of Loveland as TE1.  If he does last to round 2, he surely won't be there for our pick.