Early NFL offseason chatter

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Granted. 

I'm hoping we got lucky. We pretty much knew that getting lucky was about the only way Tepper was going to get a good head coach.

I like what I've seen out of Canales so far. The team didn't quit on him and a big part of Bryce's improvement after coming back from the benching was Canales adapting his play calling to maximize Bryce's strengths. That's the next step for Bryce. Show that you can keep up the high level of play after future opponents have an entire off-season to breakdown the tape of your improved play.

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I like what I've seen out of Canales so far. The team didn't quit on him and a big part of Bryce's improvement after coming back from the benching was Canales adapting his play calling to maximize Bryce's strengths. That's the next step for Bryce. Show that you can keep up the high level of play after future opponents have an entire off-season to breakdown the tape of your improved play.

Same...

[Mr. Scot]

https://twitter.com/Sam_Neumann_/status/1878464653887430736?t=fCF2Xlf9GMOV6S4P3ROJmQ&s=19

I gave up trying to embed this one. The board is extra crappy today

[Mr. Scot]

 

[NYPantherFan]

If I were Johnson, I'd be more interested in the Jags job than anything else out there. Let him build that offense around Lawrence and Thomas Jr... that combination alone is better than anything out there.

[Mr. Scot]

Apparently this is why there's talk about Sanders in Vegas...

Deion previously said he doesn't want to coach in the pros.

He also said he was going to stay in his previous coaching job

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, NYPantherFan said:

If I were Johnson, I'd be more interested in the Jags job than anything else out there. Let him build that offense around Lawrence and Thomas Jr... that combination alone is better than anything out there.

Jags have a bad owner, so that's not a good spot for that reason. Plus, TBH, Lawrence is not an elite QB. He's basically a third tier NFL starter.

[45catfan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Apparently this is why there's talk about Sanders in Vegas...

Deion previously said he doesn't want to coach in the pros.

He also said he was going to stay in his previous coaching job

Ya don't say?  Call Miss Cleo.   The only question now is how does Sheduer last to #6?

[outlaw4]

4 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

It so feels like they're trying to recapture the magic from the past yet again rather than putting that behind them and go a different direction.

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can't be the only one who thinks Ron taking the helm at Chicago would be a cool story.

Would he be successful? Don't know...but it would be cool.

What's with the Bears wanting our former HC's? Maybe Ron should call John Fox and ask him if this route is a good idea.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Apparently this is why there's talk about Sanders in Vegas...

Deion previously said he doesn't want to coach in the pros.

He also said he was going to stay in his previous coaching job

 

51 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Ya don't say?  Call Miss Cleo.   The only question now is how does Sheduer last to #6?

I still don't think Deion can coach in this league, his style of coaching works with kids, not grown men who are making 10's of millions of dollars a year.  But this really would create a very weird situation if the Raiders were to hire him in the end.  

How does the NFL go about it if the Titans or Browns refuse to trade with the Raiders to move up to get Shedeur and then Shedeur tells every team he will refuse to sign with them if they draft him instead of letting him fall to daddy's team?

Or do the Raiders not even try to trade up because of that?  And if so, what can/should the league do about it when a team and player conspire together to force teams to not draft someone?

If I'm the other teams at the top of the draft, I'm just passing on Shedeur and letting him fail with the Raiders anyways, as I don't think he's going to be a good NFL QB to begin with.  But it really would create a very weird situation that is going to end up being ugly no matter how it plays out.

Also all of it doesn't even begin to touch on how stupid it would be for the Raiders to do it anyways.  Because what happens if Deion sucks as a coach but Shedeur turns out to be great?  Or what happens if Deion is a great coach but Shedeur is a clear bust of a draft pick?

You're stuck with Deion because you can't fire him and then expect Shedeur to not demand a trade.  Or you're stuck with a crap QB because you can't cut him or your HC will quit on you.

Part of me wants to see it happen just for the disaster scenarios to play out and sit back with my popcorn to watch.

Edited January 12 by tukafan21

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

 

I still don't think Deion can coach in this league, his style of coaching works with kids, not grown men who are making 10's of millions of dollars a year.  But this really would create a very weird situation if the Raiders were to hire him in the end.  

How does the NFL go about it if the Titans or Browns refuse to trade with the Raiders to move up to get Shedeur and then Shedeur tells every team he will refuse to sign with them if they draft him instead of letting him fall to daddy's team?

Or do the Raiders not even try to trade up because of that?  And if so, what can/should the league do about it when a team and player conspire together to force teams to not draft someone?

If I'm the other teams at the top of the draft, I'm just passing on Shedeur and letting him fail with the Raiders anyways, as I don't think he's going to be a good NFL QB to begin with.  But it really would create a very weird situation that is going to end up being ugly no matter how it plays out.

It's a package deal with Shedeur.  If Deion can't get assurances the Raiders trade up, I don't think he takes the job...assuming it's offered. I don't think Prime will be a great success in the Pros, but probably won't be a total failure either, say above average.  Remember, the top three teams need QBs.  The best scenario for team Sanders is two of the three QB needy teams go out and get someone in FA.  I'm not sure the Titans grab a rookie again, so a veteran is probably in the cards for them.  The Browns are in their 'win now' mode and don't have the time to develop a rookie, but you never know.

Back when the Raiders were top 3 before a couple of late seasons wins, I thought Sheduer was the most likely spot being 'next door' to his pops in Colorado.  I hypothesized that if the Raiders ended up with the #1 overall pick with Sheduer being the guy, Prime would bolt from the Buffs without a second thought.  Everyone knew Pierce was a dead man walking, so a HC opening there was quite likely.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

It's a package deal with Shedeur.  If Deion can't get assurances the Raiders trade up, I don't think he takes the job...assuming it's offered. I don't think Prime will be a great success in the Pros, but probably won't be a total failure either, say above average.  Remember, the top three teams need QBs.  The best scenario for team Sanders is two of the three QB needy teams go out and get someone in FA.  I'm not sure the Titans grab a rookie again, so a veteran is probably in the cards for them.  The Browns are in their 'win now' mode and don't have the time to develop a rookie, but you never know.

Back when the Raiders were top 3 before a couple of late seasons wins, I thought Sheduer was the most likely spot being 'next door' to his pops in Colorado.  I hypothesized that if the Raiders ended up with the #1 overall pick with Sheduer being the guy, Prime would bolt from the Buffs without a second thought.  Everyone knew Pierce was a dead man walking, so a HC opening there was quite likely.

Raiders have said they don't want Deion.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

What's with the Bears wanting our former HC's? Maybe Ron should call John Fox and ask him if this route is a good idea.

Rivera has a lot of history in Chicago.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

It's a package deal with Shedeur.  If Deion can't get assurances the Raiders trade up, I don't think he takes the job...assuming it's offered. I don't think Prime will be a great success in the Pros, but probably won't be a total failure either, say above average.  Remember, the top three teams need QBs.  The best scenario for team Sanders is two of the three QB needy teams go out and get someone in FA.  I'm not sure the Titans grab a rookie again, so a veteran is probably in the cards for them.  The Browns are in their 'win now' mode and don't have the time to develop a rookie, but you never know.

Back when the Raiders were top 3 before a couple of late seasons wins, I thought Sheduer was the most likely spot being 'next door' to his pops in Colorado.  I hypothesized that if the Raiders ended up with the #1 overall pick with Sheduer being the guy, Prime would bolt from the Buffs without a second thought.  Everyone knew Pierce was a dead man walking, so a HC opening there was quite likely.

Well there's no way of there being a package deal in the end though.

The Raiders need to hire a HC well before there can be any possible trade of draft picks.  There's literally no way to assure him the Raiders will trade up because it's dependent on other teams to play ball, no matter how much the Raiders want to do it.  But if the Raiders were to hire Deion, it does all but guarantee a team will either make a trade with the Raiders, or if not, I don't see anyone wiling to draft Shedeur.

Because if they do hire him, does anyone think Shedeur is even going to play ball with those other teams?  

No fuging chance... if they were to hire Deion, Shedeur would then not go to the combine, he wouldn't go on any team visits or interviews, he'd lock everyone else out and threaten a hold out and not sign if they were to draft him.  In that scenario, no team is going to draft him in the end anyways and the Raiders wouldn't even need to trade up.

Which if it were to happen, just seems like it would be some form of tampering with the draft by the Raiders to conspire with a prospect to make sure other teams don't draft them.  

Just would be a very odd situation all around that I'd think the league would love to avoid.