Tyreek Hill

[cardiackat88.]

They should pull a Bellicheck and trade him for next to nothing to a team like the Browns or Jets.

[kungfoodude]

I predicted this thread would be imminent last night on here.

The Huddle never fails to amuse.

[Basbear]

Hes lost a level or two and not worth the 30+ million he's due. Just a bad fit for the Panthers. 

 

KC is maybe the only team that puts up with more trouble players than any other teams. After he was traded to Miami, he's lived in the strip clubs since and had about 4 kids during, plus remember his goal is to be a porn star after NFL...... He's lost that speed demon edge, not longer top 3-5 more like DJ Moore 20s. 

Again a bad fit for the queen city and building a young team.  

Edited January 6 by Basbear

[kungfoodude]

19 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Hes lost a level or two and not worth the 30+ million he's due. Just a bad fit for the Panthers. 

 

KC is maybe the only team that puts up with more trouble players than any other teams. After he was traded to Miami, he's lived in the strip clubs since and had about 4 kids during, plus remember his goal is to be a porn star after NFL...... He's lost that speed demon edge, not longer top 3-5 more like DJ Moore 20s. 

Again a bad fit for the queen city and building a young team.  

He is still a top shelf WR but his time there is likely coming to an end. It will probably start before his massive contract gets less goofy. 

As you said, not a good fit for us.

[HaricotVert]

[pantherdad]

17 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

He'd bail on us the first time we lost two games in a row and wreck the locker room on the way out.

Hard pass.

And Robert Hunt would beat his ass lol

[Johnstonny]

Hes all about me...he got 10 kids and 12 baby mamas to support...

[tukafan21]

21 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He is still a top shelf WR but his time there is likely coming to an end. It will probably start before his massive contract gets less goofy. 

As you said, not a good fit for us.

I'm actually not so sure he's still a top shelf WR, he's kinda always been a one trick pony with his speed and he turns 31 in a couple of months.  

His fall off of an elite WR is going to be very quick and sudden as once he loses even a quarter of a step, he will have lost the difference between him being just a good WR and a HOFer.  I'm not as convinced that his down year was because of the QB situation as much as the start of him showing his age.  I know the Tua injury screwed up the Dolphins season, but he still played in 11 games and it's not like Tyreek was killing it all season except the games he was out.

He had three games over 100 yards and only had 5 games all year over 72 yards.

For a player like Tyreek who has long made his impact on quick passes and then just out running everyone for big plays, that's a sign to me that he's slowing down, not QB problems.

Edited January 7 by tukafan21

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I'm actually not so sure he's still a top shelf WR, he's kinda always been a one trick pony with his speed and he turns 31 in a couple of months.  

His fall off of an elite WR is going to be very quick and sudden as once he loses even a quarter of a step, he will have lost the difference between him being just a good WR and a HOFer.  I'm not as convinced that his down year was because of the QB situation as much as the start of him showing his age.  I know the Tua injury screwed up the Dolphins season, but he still played in 11 games and it's not like Tyreek was killing it all season except the games he was out.

He had three games over 100 yards and only had 5 games all year over 72 yards.

For a player like Tyreek who has long made his impact on quick passes and then just out running everyone for big plays, that's a sign to me that he's slowing down, not QB problems.

I don't think he is slowing down yet but make no mistake, that day is coming and likely quickly. 

I suspect he has a couple more 1k+ seasons still in the tank but we will see.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think he is slowing down yet but make no mistake, that day is coming and likely quickly. 

I suspect he has a couple more 1k+ seasons still in the tank but we will see.

But for him it's not even slowing down in the same way someone like Hopkins has slowed down, as Hopkins is still a great route runner with truly elite hands.

Once Hill loses a quarter of a step, he's going to fall off a cliff because it takes away his difference making ability, if he can't just out run defenders, he's nowhere near the same player.

If I'm a team, I'd rather miss out on his last year of being elite than get stuck with him when he falls off that cliff in a hurry, and this might have been that year that he started to lose that step and next year he's just going to be another small WR with speed, but not the game breaking speed he's had until now.

[kungfoodude]

53 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

But for him it's not even slowing down in the same way someone like Hopkins has slowed down, as Hopkins is still a great route runner with truly elite hands.

Once Hill loses a quarter of a step, he's going to fall off a cliff because it takes away his difference making ability, if he can't just out run defenders, he's nowhere near the same player.

If I'm a team, I'd rather miss out on his last year of being elite than get stuck with him when he falls off that cliff in a hurry, and this might have been that year that he started to lose that step and next year he's just going to be another small WR with speed, but not the game breaking speed he's had until now.

Oh I agree. He isn't a big physical guy that has a ton of nuance to his game. I suspect he will fall off a cliff like OBJ did.

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Oh I agree. He isn't a big physical guy that has a ton of nuance to his game. I suspect he will fall off a cliff like OBJ did.

Yep, except I think he'll be more useful than Odell has been, because while he won't have the game breaking speed that's made him a HOFer.  He'll still be plenty fast enough to get used, particularly on gadget plays or just getting the ball to him on a screen and let him run with it.

But his days of being a 1,500+ guy who defenses need to spend all week game planning for will disappear in an instant when he can't just run past everyone with ease as he's done throughout his career.  And again, he might have reached that tipping point this year, because as bad as Miami was, Tua still played in 11 games and Tyreek took a big step back this year.

I'll be honest in that I didn't watch most of their games, so part of it is looking at stats here, but something tells me he's already lost a tiny bit of that speed, and if he loses a tiny fraction again going into next year, he won't crack 1,000 yards again.