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ESPN.com's David Newton's Free Agency Party


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37 minutes ago, frankw said:

This "mentor" angle is ridiculous. Bryce Young doesn't need a mentor he's a first overall pick entering his third season. Even beyond that the simple fact is Andy Dalton is simply not a good QB and he's at the tail end of his career.

You bring in a young QB or a younger vet for the same level of investment. This really isn't difficult.

Backup QB should be able to come in and win a couple of games and Dalton can do that.  Think Bryce doesn't need a veteran qb to help him  just because he is a number 1 overall pick is ridiculous.  

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26 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Backup QB should be able to come in and win a couple of games and Dalton can do that.  Think Bryce doesn't need a veteran qb to help him  just because he is a number 1 overall pick is ridiculous.  

If you want a veteran QB you can get one younger for the money. Dalton looked horrendous once teams got some tape on him after that Raiders game. He is terrible. Idk why this is something that needs to be debated now. We all saw it with our own eyes.

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3 minutes ago, frankw said:

If you want a veteran QB you can get one younger for the money. Dalton looked horrendous once teams got some tape on him after that Raiders game. He is terrible. Idk why this is something that needs to be debated now. We all saw it with our own eyes.

All backup QBs look terrible once teams get tape on them that's why they are backups

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3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

All backup QBs look terrible once teams get tape on them that's why they are backups

It is not hyperbole to say that at one point last season what had arguably the worst QB room in the league.

Entering the season with virtually no changes to that room is a big risk and honestly a slap in the face to the fanbase. The worst thing the Panthers can do is sit on their hands and run it back. That's my opinion. If you don't agree cool no problem.

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36 minutes ago, frankw said:

It is not hyperbole to say that at one point last season what had arguably the worst QB room in the league.

Entering the season with virtually no changes to that room is a big risk and honestly a slap in the face to the fanbase. The worst thing the Panthers can do is sit on their hands and run it back. That's my opinion. If you don't agree cool no problem.

I would agree if Bryce hadn't looked better towards the end of the season.  

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