What's Matt Moore's ceiling?

[Pox 08]

Something about his style reminds me a little of Romo.

If he's given some unique plays to do and more decent-quality weapons to throw to, he has the potential to be a very good qb.

If he's put into the situation that Delhomme was in (pre-meltdown), where the playcalling was extremely predictable, then he has a chance to be a middle of the pack qb, like Delhomme was.

[scpanther22]

Im going to have to go ahead and say that Clausen has much much more potential, and therefore a much much higher ceiling than Moore. I like Moore, but I believe that Clausen does have the potential to be a franchise, Top 5 in the league QB.....I dont think I can say that about Matt.

True.

I think if the panthers feel this way about Clausen then even if Matt Moore has a good year he still could be let go because of Clausen.

[Carl Spackler]

What he looks at when he's in bed.

[Mother Grabber]

Somewhere around 12' I'm thinking...

[firstdayfan]

I really like the comparison to romo...I think that is definitely where he could be one day which would be great for this franchise. However I also agree that clausen could be even better...clausen represents so much potential even though he hasn't attempted an NFL pass. Moore has started like 8 games and has lost two of them? Say what you want about carrying the team but that's impressive. If Clausen somehow started the first 8 games and went 6-2 we'd be going nuts.

[carolinarolls]

I think he can be as good as Collins was but without all the immature stupidity. Maybe better.

[OneBadassCat]

It's really all about what's between his ears more so than the physical ability. Moore has great accuracy and is a pretty good decision maker. I don't really see a big difference in him and Clausen as far potential. It's more about the intangibles. Both of them can blow Jake away as far as talent. Though I think Clausen probably has a quicker release, but I think they're both very accurate and Moore can keep his cool like nobody's business.

For ex:

Clausen may have a bigger arm but if Matt stays cool in pocket as he always has and looks off defenders to get a 38 yr old Moose open, and throws 30 yd lasers to Dwayne Jarrett for TDs, does it matter who has the bigger arm? (Yes I know Clausen can do these things, but for examples sake)It might make you evaluate what you consider talent.

Jake had the talent/drive to be a great QB and for some time he was. But lets be honest the guy got complacent with his game and had several bouts where he played like an idiot and made stupid mistakes. Maybe that sounds harsh but sometimes he just didn't look sharp at all. Steve Smith spoiled him in some ways I think.

Oh and I don't like the Romo comparison. He's a chicken poo choke artist.

All in all I think Moore can be a top 10 QB

[carolinarolls]

It's really all about what's between his ears more so than the physical ability. Moore has great accuracy and is a pretty good decision maker. I don't really see a big difference in him and Clausen as far potential. It's more about the intangibles. Both of them can blow Jake away as far as talent. Clausen may have a bigger arm but if Matt stays cool in pocket as he always has and looks off defenders to get a 38 yr old Moose open, and throws 30 yd lasers to Dwayne Jarrett for TDs, does it matter who has the bigger arm? It might make you evaluate what you consider talent.

Exactly. But I would hope most people on this board would understand this already. To me it goes without saying that the more intelligent player behind the center is going to have the advantage over the more physically gifted EVERY time. Staying cool in the pocket was Jake's problem since 2005 and was something he could never live down. Leadership, strong arm, cohesive with star WR, etc. could never measure up to his happy feet, 1st quarter wildness, and desire to win the game with one play.

I am not saying you need to be a MENSA candidate to play QB and that a rag arm who studies his playbook twice as much as everyone else can be great. But if you get to this level you have proven to have the athletic ability. The guy that grasps the mental game quicker will see success younger in his career.

To me there are three types of QB's (using modern examples):

Great athletes/leaders who never grasp mental coolness: Favre and Vick

Decent Athletes who stay cool and learn how to win over time: Beuerlein and Warner

Great Arms who start cool and burn you with their intelligence early on: Brady and Manning

If Moore is successful he is in one of the latter two groups and those are the groups that produce for long careers, therefore his ceiling can be very high.

[scpanther22]

It's really all about what's between his ears more so than the physical ability. Moore has great accuracy and is a pretty good decision maker. I don't really see a big difference in him and Clausen as far potential. It's more about the intangibles. Both of them can blow Jake away as far as talent. Though I think Clausen probably has a quicker release, but I think they're both very accurate and Moore can keep his cool like nobody's business.

For ex:

Clausen may have a bigger arm but if Matt stays cool in pocket as he always has and looks off defenders to get a 38 yr old Moose open, and throws 30 yd lasers to Dwayne Jarrett for TDs, does it matter who has the bigger arm? (Yes I know Clausen can do these things, but for examples sake)It might make you evaluate what you consider talent.

Jake had the talent/drive to be a great QB and for some time he was. But lets be honest the guy got complacent with his game and had several bouts where he played like an idiot and made stupid mistakes. Maybe that sounds harsh but sometimes he just didn't look sharp at all. Steve Smith spoiled him in some ways I think.

Oh and I don't like the Romo comparison. He's a chicken poo choke artist.

All in all I think Moore can be a top 10 QB

But you have to keep in mind that teams dont know how to come at Moore yet. How will he play when teams gameplan for him?

I would give overall accuracy to Clausen. Moore haa a great deep ball but had trouble with the short stuff.

[Vagrant]

I see a lot of Matt Hasselbeck in Matt Moore's game. I think that would represent his upside. Decent at everything and very productive in a run first offense.

[mick eye]

I like the potential of Matt Moore, he won. He along with our vets took what could have been a truly heartbreaking season sabotaged by the decline of Jake and WON. Moore showed poise and heart in the pocket. Especially considering his status on the depth chart and time in the league so far. The fact that his talent has developed with little playing time and likely little support from the coaches proves his nature. He is a player and is capable of becoming a leader.

ON THE OTHER HAND.

Jimmy Clausen has insane upside. Moore at his best is good, but honestly if Clausen gives the team his best it will be a little better. I think the coaches are gonna make him earn it. Moore opened some eyes with his ability and i like to think the QB competition is fair. But in the long run i do see more success with Clausen than Moore.

[DickolausJ]

Clausen may have a bigger arm but if Matt stays cool in pocket as he always has and looks off defenders to get a 38 yr old Moose open, and throws 30 yd lasers to Dwayne Jarrett for TDs, does it matter who has the bigger arm? (Yes I know Clausen can do these things, but for examples sake)It might make you evaluate what you consider talent.

I personally think Moore has a stronger arm, which is probably what has initially kept him around on practice teams. He does throw great deep balls.

Clausen just has some of the best mechanics you will ever see in a quarterback so he just throws flawless short/mid ranges passes.

Moore is more inconsistant and seems to throw better on the run sometimes then he does in the pocket.

It is a mental sport, especially at the qb posistion. Whoever is stronger mentally will eventually win the job.

[panthers55]

Chris Weinke has great mechanics and could throw a deep ball. So much for that equating to wins.

[carolinarolls]

Chris Weinke has great mechanics and could throw a deep ball. So much for that equating to wins.

I never thought the guy got a fair shake in the beginning. I also was never convinced he really loved the game. After all it took a back seat to baseball early on and after winning the Heisman and getting paid I am not sure he ever really loved it or ever thought it challenged him.