hunter cantwell

[Woodie]

How long do you think pike would last on the PS?

Longer than Cantwell if Hunter plays lights out in pre-season.

Everyone is still focused on Pike's pre-draft media hype. However, that hype did not get him drafted in a spot where potential QB's of the future are typically taken. Rather, he was picked in a spot where teams look for expected back-ups and long-term projects. So, just because Pike came in with name recognition does not mean that other teams are chomping at the bit to ****** him up if we try to stash him on the practice squad. Rather, they will evaluate each of our QB's based on their actual play in preseason, and be more active in trying to sign the one that showed the most potential in the actual games.

As someone else said, I wouldn't count on either QB agreeing to go on our PS if we release them. Not with the logjam we have in front of them. Even if they are not claimed, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them choose to go to another team with questionable QB depth since that would give them the best opportunity to make a regular season roster in the future.

[Woodie]

Also, I don’t think there is any question that Clausen will start the season ahead of Cantwell. There’s far more to playing QB than arm strength. And since that is pretty much the only part of QBing that Cantwell has ever shown himself to be superior to Clausen in, I find it highly unlikely that he’ll keep the #2 position.

And don’t sleep on how giddy Fox and Hurney were when Clausen fell in their laps. If nothing else, that should give you an indication of how good they really think he can be. They’ve never been that way about another player they have picked up, so will clearly be looking at him as Moore’s competition to start, not Cantwell’s for #3. Another sign, just think about what both have previously said about picking a QB early; they weren’t high on it because it took so long for them to develop. Yet, they took Clausen with their first pick, and even tried to trade up to get him…in a year where Fox is said to be on the hot seat and doesn’t have time to wait on his highest draft pick to develop. IMO, that speaks volumes about what they think of Clausen’s readiness to play sooner rather than later.

[pantherclaw]

Drafted, undrafted....doesn't matter to anyone but the fans. There is talent that goes undrafted every year.

Decades ago there were 15 + rounds in the draft. Talent doesn't always go to big colleges, get invited to the combine, get drafted.

Fans have gotten way to wrapped up in draft status.

Only a team like the lions would be forced to play a 2nd round qb.

Clausen could end up being the guy, or he could never even get the chance in carolina. Anybody who thinks his second round contract will dictate his position with the team, needs to step away from the bottle/pipe.

That being said, we could suffer injuries at the qb position, getting clausen onto the field quicker.

Us fans don't set the depth chart. The coaches do. No matter the hype surrounding clausen, he will have to earn his way up the depth chart. Specially on a john fox team.

[Vagrant]

Drafted, undrafted....doesn't matter to anyone but the fans. There is talent that goes undrafted every year.

Decades ago there were 15 + rounds in the draft. Talent doesn't always go to big colleges, get invited to the combine, get drafted.

Fans have gotten way to wrapped up in draft status.

Only a team like the lions would be forced to play a 2nd round qb.

Clausen could end up being the guy, or he could never even get the chance in carolina. Anybody who thinks his second round contract will dictate his position with the team, needs to step away from the bottle/pipe.

That being said, we could suffer injuries at the qb position, getting clausen onto the field quicker.

Us fans don't set the depth chart. The coaches do. No matter the hype surrounding clausen, he will have to earn his way up the depth chart. Specially on a john fox team.

You couldn't be any more wrong and to make it worse, you're being insulting in the process. Poor form.

Regardless, draft position does matter. Anybody that says different is being idealistic instead of realizing that the economic reality of the league is just as real as the perception you have that all is fair in the league and the best players always play regardless of what their contract looks like, how much money they're promised, or how much better the kid behind them is playing.

If you stink though, you stink. Which is another matter all together different because if you stink, you're not going to play on any team regardless. You're going to get cut. That wasn't ever the point of the discussion here.

The point is regarding how much would Hunter Cantwell have to outperform Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike if Pike and Clausen both played well and the answer is infinity. He would have to be infinitely more impressive, which is obviously impossible. Especially the case with Clausen. He is going to have to throw away the backup position on the roster with both hands to lose it at this point. Not with the amount of money and time we're committing to him.

You know what has gotten insane about the draft process? The amount of money that you have to commit to these kids being exponentially increasing by the year making it tougher for veteran players to win jobs they earn by virtue of their superior play. If you don't think that's real then watch at cut time. Hell, look at our team right now. We lost a lot of damn good players that were still contributors. Hoover and Diggs were still the best at their position when we cut them. Where does that rank on your list of fairness?

I said it before and I will say it again. The coach has the job to worry about on field production, but the GM has to worry about assembling a team as cheaply as possible without losing much in quality of play. The coach and GM get together, discuss who has out performed who, and make a series of decisions both monetary and skill wise.

[pantherclaw]

Keep thinking what ya are, aand try not to be disappoint clausen isn't handed the keys to the franchise.

As for Pike, he is obviously the odd man out at the time. Of course, training camp hasn't started yet.

Stating I'm wrong, just cause you feel differently, doesn't make you right.

Lol

[MadHatter]

You couldn't be any more wrong and to make it worse, you're being insulting in the process. Poor form.

Regardless, draft position does matter. Anybody that says different is being idealistic instead of realizing that the economic reality of the league is just as real as the perception you have that all is fair in the league and the best players always play regardless of what their contract looks like, how much money they're promised, or how much better the kid behind them is playing.

If you stink though, you stink. Which is another matter all together different because if you stink, you're not going to play on any team regardless. You're going to get cut. That wasn't ever the point of the discussion here.

The point is regarding how much would Hunter Cantwell have to outperform Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike if Pike and Clausen both played well and the answer is infinity. He would have to be infinitely more impressive, which is obviously impossible. Especially the case with Clausen. He is going to have to throw away the backup position on the roster with both hands to lose it at this point. Not with the amount of money and time we're committing to him.

You know what has gotten insane about the draft process? The amount of money that you have to commit to these kids being exponentially increasing by the year making it tougher for veteran players to win jobs they earn by virtue of their superior play. If you don't think that's real then watch at cut time. Hell, look at our team right now. We lost a lot of damn good players that were still contributors. Hoover and Diggs were still the best at their position when we cut them. Where does that rank on your list of fairness?

I said it before and I will say it again. The coach has the job to worry about on field production, but the GM has to worry about assembling a team as cheaply as possible without losing much in quality of play. The coach and GM get together, discuss who has out performed who, and make a series of decisions both monetary and skill wise.

Draft status only counts if you were a high 1st round pick. There are many 2nd Rd QB's that are riding the pine or out of the league.

Pike is going to be the odd man out.....he will be put on the PS or cut.

Cantwell will be ahead of Clausen if he out performs him.

The only thing I will be pissed about it wasting a 2nd round pick on a third string QB. The fact that we took Clausen does lead me to believe there is not as much to the Cantwell story as some people believe. If the staff believed Cantwell and Moore are the real deal, then Clausen would NOT have been drafted.

Personally, I think that Clausen is going to end up the #2 for the season....just not because of the same reasons as you.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Sorry Pantherfan49 I post a good amount of sarcastic posts on here myself. Try using more adjectives? Make your sarcasm more funny?

How exactly do adjectives contribute to sarcasm?

[monstercat]

I don't really understand why the Panthers drafting a QB automatically means that they have no faith in Matt Moore. I think it had a lot more to do with the fact that Moore has already missed time with an injury, and that they're sick and tired of being screwed if their starter goes down. It's not exactly unprecedented for the Panthers to have to play their 2nd and 3rd QB's during a season you know, and they haven't exactly had great success with plans B and C lately. I'm sure the Chris Weinke, David Carr, and Vinny Testaverde experiences were in the back of their minds when they decided to cut ties with Delhomme and rebuild the QB position. And that's exactly what this is folks, a total rebuilding of a position group...you can't do that with only one player.

That said, may the best QB win.

[KillerKat]

Vagrant has been the one with the most sense about the whole issue. I applaud him

[monstercat]

Well, to me it makes the most sense to promote the guy who earns it by performing his job better than the other candidates. I guess that's just crazy talk though.

[panthers55]

You couldn't be any more wrong and to make it worse, you're being insulting in the process. Poor form.

Regardless, draft position does matter. Anybody that says different is being idealistic instead of realizing that the economic reality of the league is just as real as the perception you have that all is fair in the league and the best players always play regardless of what their contract looks like, how much money they're promised, or how much better the kid behind them is playing.

If you stink though, you stink. Which is another matter all together different because if you stink, you're not going to play on any team regardless. You're going to get cut. That wasn't ever the point of the discussion here.

The point is regarding how much would Hunter Cantwell have to outperform Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike if Pike and Clausen both played well and the answer is infinity. He would have to be infinitely more impressive, which is obviously impossible. Especially the case with Clausen. He is going to have to throw away the backup position on the roster with both hands to lose it at this point. Not with the amount of money and time we're committing to him.

You know what has gotten insane about the draft process? The amount of money that you have to commit to these kids being exponentially increasing by the year making it tougher for veteran players to win jobs they earn by virtue of their superior play. If you don't think that's real then watch at cut time. Hell, look at our team right now. We lost a lot of damn good players that were still contributors. Hoover and Diggs were still the best at their position when we cut them. Where does that rank on your list of fairness?

I said it before and I will say it again. The coach has the job to worry about on field production, but the GM has to worry about assembling a team as cheaply as possible without losing much in quality of play. The coach and GM get together, discuss who has out performed who, and make a series of decisions both monetary and skill wise.

Draft position is a lot like getting a college diploma as a requisite for your first job. It does initially but not so much after a year or so. Clausen will not be cut partly because of his skill and partly because he was a high pick. But like Jarrett, it won't insulate you forever.

Will Clausen get the number 2 depth this year? Very possible if he plays well. Will he get it if he comes out and plays porly while Cantwell tears it up? I doubt it. Look at Jake when he got here. He was listed as the number 3 quarterback before the season behind Peete, and Weinke. But he had a good training camp and preseason. Who came in the moment Peete struggled?? Yeah, Jake.

Will Clausen get the nod to come in and play over Cantwell if he had a poor camp and preseason? I really doubt it unless Cantwell plays no better. At this point Fox is looking for the future but given he may gone after this year, the future is also now.

Fox got rid of LeFors when it was clear he couldn't do the job and would do the same with Clausen, Pike or Cantwell.

Right now Cantwell will make $320,000 in 2010 and next year will be a RFA. Clausen will make somewhere between 1 million and 2 million this year counting his signing bonus. If they both play equally, the difference in money won't compel anyone to put Clausen 2nd and Pike third. In fact if they play equally, you could argue that Cantwell should get the nod because he is cheaper and we should try and trade Clausen. Of course we won't do that nor should we, but the argument could be that if money is a factor, we should keep the cheaper guy and that wouldn't be Clausen.

At this point Moore Clausen and likely Cantwell will make the roster although only 2 of them will likely be active on game day. Pike could still make the roster with a great performance but seems destined for the PS all things being equal.

Is it that important who is number 2 versus 3 going into camp. Not at all. Both guys will have a chance to play and that will detemine where every one lands. Who is number 2 going into the season is a big issue. And at this point I can see why Cantwell is ahead of Clausen. Our offense is more of a deep passing threat offense and Cantwell has the better arm. I would like to see Clausen play some before I will say what he brings to the table.

The success of a few rookie quarterbacks has gotten everybody's expectations way out of wack. The Ryans, Sancheza, and Flaccos of the league are the exceptions not the rule. Most rookies play relatively poorly. There is no reason to beleive he will be the exception either.

[RazzleDazzle]

RIP Hunter

[BF91]

RIP Hunter

You've put this in like four threads. What the fug are you talking about?

[RazzleDazzle]

Check the news, Hunter, Edwards and Beason are in serious condition.