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2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Beats me, buddy.  Look at SF--they are gutting their roster so they can give Purdy a QB deal.  I have a friend who said they should give the QB $130m of the cap and let him pay his OL, WRs, RBs, and TEs.  You want $60m?  Then you have $70m for the rest...

That is what bothers me about Bryce Young.  If you have to pay him $60m in 2 years, and if it takes $80m to pay for the kind of OL you need to protect him, and he needs WRs that will cost $40m and a meager $10m for RBs and $10 m for TEs....we are saying that for Bryce to be effective, it is going to cost $200m.  That leaves $80m for the defense.

We can't keep paying $30m per year for guards while our OTs are making $40m.  $10m at C, and a $60m QB is half the cap.  That does not include WRs, TEs, RBs.  It is crazy.  As you say, we have to draft effectively and we have to be very intelligent about our second contracts. '

Well this is all why if you trade up for a QB in the draft you need results as soon as possible. My issue with the Panthers going into the upcoming season is how low is the bar? Is just good enough or average going to be where we feel comfortable saying Bryce is our future let's start thinking about his next contract? Or do we actually need to see fringe elite QB play often throughout next season even if we aren't necessarily winning? For me it's the latter. I fear for some amongst the Panthers front office it's the former because they are vested in justifying the pick ie saving face for the Tepper's. I want to see Bryce and Canales absolutely slam the door shut on that first season and the early part of the second season.

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3 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

 

Jameis Winston visiting with the Giants 

With Aaron Rodgers still undecided about his future, the Giants have been busy bringing in veteran quarterbacks. First, they met with Joe Flacco last week, and now, they're visiting with Jameis. We've got more on his visit here. Winston to the Giants would definitely be an interesting pairing. 

This actually makes the most sense for them, especially if they draft  rookie QB.  Everyone knows this is  weak QB class and neither Ward nor Sanders are Day1 starters.

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18 hours ago, frankw said:

Well this is all why if you trade up for a QB in the draft you need results as soon as possible. My issue with the Panthers going into the upcoming season is how low is the bar? Is just good enough or average going to be where we feel comfortable saying Bryce is our future let's start thinking about his next contract? Or do we actually need to see fringe elite QB play often throughout next season even if we aren't necessarily winning? For me it's the latter. I fear for some amongst the Panthers front office it's the former because they are vested in justifying the pick ie saving face for the Tepper's. I want to see Bryce and Canales absolutely slam the door shut on that first season and the early part of the second season.

Some call me crazy for making posts like this--but I see the second tier qbs in this draft as some potentially developmental gems--I would take Will Howard in the third or fourth to keep protected on the PS and learn for 2 years.  I would consider the QBs from Syracuse, Texas, Ole Miss, Louisville, Ohio State, and maybe even Alabama in that role.  I think the two years of development and watching would be great-some players develop at times that don't align with the NFL draft.  In two years, you have an option--yuo don't have an average QB's agent robbing you because they know you are out of options

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12 hours ago, 45catfan said:

This actually makes the most sense for them, especially if they draft  rookie QB.  Everyone knows this is  weak QB class and neither Ward nor Sanders are Day1 starters.

I see it this way--I agree with you, first of all, but pushing all your chips in on Winston has been a losing proposition for a lot of GMs and Coaches.  He oozes talent, but makes one or two dumbass plays a game that make you cry.  Schoen and Daboll are gone after this season if there is no progress.  It would be risky, but better than a lot of other options.  I hate what Rodgers is doing to them.  The last 2 superstar GB QBs have been peckerheads--I used to like GB, but I could not pull for Favre or Rodgers.

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12 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I see it this way--I agree with you, first of all, but pushing all your chips in on Winston has been a losing proposition for a lot of GMs and Coaches.  He oozes talent, but makes one or two dumbass plays a game that make you cry.  Schoen and Daboll are gone after this season if there is no progress.  It would be risky, but better than a lot of other options.  I hate what Rodgers is doing to them.  The last 2 superstar GB QBs have been peckerheads--I used to like GB, but I could not pull for Favre or Rodgers.

Whoever the Giants sign will be a bridge for a draft pick. I'm not sure why they are waiting for Rodgers to his mind in this case as he would just be a rental anyway. Winston would probably help them win the same amount of games as they could get with Rodgers at this stage in his career. 

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15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Some call me crazy for making posts like this--but I see the second tier qbs in this draft as some potentially developmental gems--I would take Will Howard in the third or fourth to keep protected on the PS and learn for 2 years.  I would consider the QBs from Syracuse, Texas, Ole Miss, Louisville, Ohio State, and maybe even Alabama in that role.  I think the two years of development and watching would be great-some players develop at times that don't align with the NFL draft.  In two years, you have an option--yuo don't have an average QB's agent robbing you because they know you are out of options

Oh I am on the same page with you. Other teams seem to agree. Yes we have many needs. But if we hired Dave Canales to be a "QB whisperer" then surely he can walk and chew gum at the same time. It's always a good idea to have another guy developing even if he's a mid rounder. We all like Andy Dalton on a personal level but no one wants to see him under center again let's be realistic.

Anywho I doubt we enact the plan you mentioned this year. It will probably be in the next draft. Hopefully everything goes according to plan in the meantime and we don't have any regrets. We'll see how it shakes out.

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27 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Some call me crazy for making posts like this--but I see the second tier qbs in this draft as some potentially developmental gems--I would take Will Howard in the third or fourth to keep protected on the PS and learn for 2 years.  I would consider the QBs from Syracuse, Texas, Ole Miss, Louisville, Ohio State, and maybe even Alabama in that role.  I think the two years of development and watching would be great-some players develop at times that don't align with the NFL draft.  In two years, you have an option--yuo don't have an average QB's agent robbing you because they know you are out of options

I would draft Howard in the 4th or 5th.  Third is too high for me.  I don't really believe in this year's class, but Howard has some desirable intangibles.  If any late round QB ends up having a nice career out of this class its him.

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Brandon Graham, who played 15 seasons in Philadelphia and became the longest-tenured Eagle in franchise history, announced his retirement from the NFL. Graham returned from a torn triceps muscle to play in the Super Bowl and help the Eagles win their second Super Bowl in what turned out to be the final game of his NFL career.

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