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Steve Smith Ranks WRs In This Draft Class

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Smitty has a pretty poor track record when it comes to WR evaluations. 

But Michael Jordan was one of the worst talent evaluators in the history of the NBA(it would be hard to argue he wasn't THE worst) and John Elway was a pretty piss poor GM.

Just because you play the position well doesn't always mean you can evaluate the position well.

There are generally 3 things that can make a player great, being a superior athlete, having unprecedented work ethic/effort, or being extremely fundamentally sound.

The elite players who become that due to their work ethic and/or being a superior athlete, generally end up as poor coaches and/or talent evaluators, because the things that made them great can't be coached or easily seen on tape.

I'm not saying Steve is right or wrong on T-Mac or any other player, but he is very similar to Jordan in that their athletic ability and their drive to win is what made them greats, and it's also what makes them struggle at talent evaluation.  As others have said, he's been right and wrong before, sometimes badly, so I don't really put much stock into his prospect evaluations one way or the other, Panthers GOAT or not.

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Okay, just watched the video now, and I've just gotta say, I love Smitty, but he said one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in a draft projection.

He said T-Mac was the #1 WR on his board, but that he could see a scenario where he wasn't the 1st WR taken, which sure, totally fair thing to say Steve, let's hear your explanation for why....

"If someone moves up to get a QB or TE, I can see Golden moving up to be the #1 guy"

Wait... what?!?!?!?!

If someone trades up to get a QB or TE, you think that will then cause your 4th ranked WR to be the 1st WR taken in the draft?!?!?!

I'm sorry, but that is the most asinine explanation for where players will be drafted ever, I honestly don't understand that logic, at all, and it has nothing to do with my guy.  Those names could be John Doe and John Smith, and if he says his 4th ranked WR will be drafted 1st because an extra QB or TE was taken due to a trade, I'd be saying the same thing, lol.

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And DJ Moore

True but DJ was the best WR in that draft.  No stretch there.  The thing that rings home for me is where would TMac go if he was in the last draft?  Probably 5th or 6th guy so maybe 2nd round.

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5 minutes ago, Shocker said:

True but DJ was the best WR in that draft.  No stretch there.  The thing that rings home for me is where would TMac go if he was in the last draft?  Probably 5th or 6th guy so maybe 2nd round.

He'd have been in contention with Odunze to be the 3rd WR taken, definitely would have gone before Brian Thomas Jr (and yes, I know how amazing of a season he had, but he wasn't a can't miss prospect, he had the season MHJ was supposed to have).

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8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Okay, just watched the video now, and I've just gotta say, I love Smitty, but he said one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in a draft projection.

He said T-Mac was the #1 WR on his board, but that he could see a scenario where he wasn't the 1st WR taken, which sure, totally fair thing to say Steve, let's hear your explanation for why....

"If someone moves up to get a QB or TE, I can see Golden moving up to be the #1 guy"

Wait... what?!?!?!?!

If someone trades up to get a QB or TE, you think that will then cause your 4th ranked WR to be the 1st WR taken in the draft?!?!?!

I'm sorry, but that is the most asinine explanation for where players will be drafted ever, I honestly don't understand that logic, at all, and it has nothing to do with my guy.  Those names could be John Doe and John Smith, and if he says his 4th ranked WR will be drafted 1st because an extra QB or TE was taken due to a trade, I'd be saying the same thing, lol.

Yeah i think he was talking in riddles there but I think we ended up landing on Golden being his 1 and TMac 2. The starting rankings were consensus from all over the shop 

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8 minutes ago, Shocker said:

True but DJ was the best WR in that draft.  No stretch there.  The thing that rings home for me is where would TMac go if he was in the last draft?  Probably 5th or 6th guy so maybe 2nd round.

DJ and Ridley were neck and neck. Depends what flavour you wanted 

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2 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Yeah i think he was talking in riddles there but I think we ended up landing on Golden being his 1 and TMac 2. The starting rankings were consensus from all over the shop 

Maybe, but he also clearly said that T-Mac is #1 on his board too.  

Guess maybe I wasn't thinking about that board being the consensus and not his own, so maybe he has Golden #2 and it was his way of saying if a team falls in love with Golden and someone trades up for a QB or TE so T-Mac falls a few picks, that team will take Golden anyways because they fell in love with him and didn't do their homework on T-Mac because they didn't expect him to fall to them.

But still, it was just a really weird way to explain it

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Maybe, but he also clearly said that T-Mac is #1 on his board too.  

Guess maybe I wasn't thinking about that board being the consensus and not his own, so maybe he has Golden #2 and it was his way of saying if a team falls in love with Golden and someone trades up for a QB or TE so T-Mac falls a few picks, that team will take Golden anyways because they fell in love with him and didn't do their homework on T-Mac because they didn't expect him to fall to them.

But still, it was just a really weird way to explain it

No he put golden ahead tmac in his rankings 

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No he put golden ahead tmac in his rankings 

During the Golden part of the video?

I'll be honest, I only watched the T-Mac part, but it started off with Palmer saying he's the #1 on almost every board and asked Smitty if he has him #1 as well and he said that he was his #1, but that he might not be the 1st drafted.

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

During the Golden part of the video?

I'll be honest, I only watched the T-Mac part, but it started off with Palmer saying he's the #1 on almost every board and asked Smitty if he has him #1 as well and he said that he was his #1, but that he might not be the 1st drafted.

Well that's probably why you're confused

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23 minutes ago, Shocker said:

True but DJ was the best WR in that draft.  No stretch there.  The thing that rings home for me is where would TMac go if he was in the last draft?  Probably 5th or 6th guy so maybe 2nd round.

I think 100% before Worthy.

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