Hurney Must Go

[rico6]

9 teams have finished 1-15. The '01 Panthers were #7 and the '10 Panthers will be...#10!

Don't worry. Jesus Hurney reincarnate is going to save us lawl.

[frash.exe]

I'm not expecting bad results I go into every season expecting playoffs. I am certainly accepting bad results because that's all there is to do.

Then you accept failure and you're at peace with it. Okay.

I still don't see the problem with realizing that putting together a consistent playoff team is pretty difficult and since the majority of NFL franchises can't do that I'm not going to start calling JR a horrible owner and become so critical of the franchise. He's stretched most fans patience past the breaking point but it's obvious there is a plan.

well that's a perfect level of expectation if you hope we're just a team that floats around in the league and every once in a while makes a string of good moves and is well coached enough to do a good job.

The only teams I see that haven't had a recent 10+ loss season are the Pats and Colts. HoF QBs aren't common. Quality QBs aren't impossible to find and they fact that we never tried is probably why we aren't in the upper echelon. Right before they found their HoF QB they had a 10+ loss season.

Well, if Luck enters the draft, and we're sitting at no.1, now is Hurney's ultimate test, but forgive me if I don't trust him to make the right call. Remember this is the same guy that extended Delhomme after tanking a playoff game and just drafted a guy that displays almost zero precision in his throwing and is no challenge to any secondary whatsoever.

As far as I see a 10+ loss season is inevitable for most franchises because players get old/injuried, coaches make mistakes, GM's make mistakes, owners make mistakes. Eventually you will run into hard times.

yea, they are inevitable, but that doesn't make them acceptable in the least and because of that, all those players that get old/injured get replaced, and coaches that make mistakes, and GMs that make mistakes get fired because the mistakes pile up. So far Hurney has made quite a case of bad mistakes recently, and a lot of the reason he gets such a free ride on here is because people on here are too busy appreciating every perspective he takes ("well i understand why he re-signed Jake, even though he was pretty much dogshit in the 2009 season.") and isolating every mistake to put forth the illusion that it's a rare hiccup (hey you know the Edwards trade was a mistake BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMMENDING HIM FOR DRAFTING THESE 8 GREAT FIRST ROUND PICKS I MEAN WTF!). You people don't get that just because you hit more than you miss doesn't make you a success. The NFL has little margin for error, and you can be a GM that get's everything right except for 2 or 3 big variables which hurts your organization terribly.

the solution isn't getting the hits to outnumber the misses. it's minimizing the misses.

It doesn't mean there is bad ownership. Should changes be made? Sure. But it's not as dire as some people want to believe.

Then how do you define "bad ownership"? Does it not include killing every chance we've got of making a playoff berth just to clear salary cap and not replace aging starters with low-cost FAs? Or does the fact that we happened to be an also-ran in a superbowl 7 years ago disqualify Richardson from being considered anything bad? What do you call Al Davis then?

[SorthNarolina]

Then you accept failure and you're at peace with it. Okay.

well that's a perfect level of expectation if you hope we're just a team that floats around in the league and every once in a while makes a string of good moves and is well coached enough to do a good job.

Well, if Luck enters the draft, and we're sitting at no.1, now is Hurney's ultimate test, but forgive me if I don't trust him to make the right call. Remember this is the same guy that extended Delhomme after tanking a playoff game and just drafted a guy that displays almost zero precision in his throwing and is no challenge to any secondary whatsoever.

yea, they are inevitable, but that doesn't make them acceptable in the least and because of that, all those players that get old/injured get replaced, and coaches that make mistakes, and GMs that make mistakes get fired because the mistakes pile up. So far Hurney has made quite a case of bad mistakes recently, and a lot of the reason he gets such a free ride on here is because people on here are too busy appreciating every perspective he takes ("well i understand why he re-signed Jake, even though he was pretty much dogshit in the 2009 season.") and isolating every mistake to put forth the illusion that it's a rare hiccup (hey you know the Edwards trade was a mistake BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMMENDING HIM FOR DRAFTING THESE 8 GREAT FIRST ROUND PICKS I MEAN WTF!). You people don't get that just because you hit more than you miss doesn't make you a success. The NFL has little margin for error, and you can be a GM that get's everything right except for 2 or 3 big variables which hurts your organization terribly.

the solution isn't getting the hits to outnumber the misses. it's minimizing the misses.

Then how do you define "bad ownership"? Does it not include killing every chance we've got of making a playoff berth just to clear salary cap and not replace aging starters with low-cost FAs? Or does the fact that we happened to be an also-ran in a superbowl 7 years ago disqualify Richardson from being considered anything bad? What do you call Al Davis then?

you don't need to twist my words in order to prove a point. I don't accept failure and nobody else does either. I do accept that the season is a wash.

I'm too tired to address everything point by point.

But basically you need better perspective because comparing JR to Al Davis is ridiculous.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

All the trades and other general f**k ups from Hurney are almost entirely his decision. And this...

I will give him credit for his ability to find talent in the draft. For the most part he has hit on his first round picks and hes found some gems in later rounds

..is mainly due to the scouting department. Hurney has an excellent scouting department at his disposal and yet after being with the organization for years the team he has assembled doesn't have the talent to even be competitive much less elite and looks like we're heading to 1-15.

I approve of this thread.

Ditto.

[frash.exe]

you don't need to twist my words in order to prove a point. I don't accept failure and nobody else does either. I do accept that the season is a wash.

yea, you do.

you admitted it

[Kevin Greene]

Argue the pros and cons if you want guys, but it's not gonna happen.

Yeah I agree I don't think Hurney is going anywhere.

A lot of Huddlers say hindsight is 20/20 but that is how a GM is judged. It is in fact the only way to judge a GM. Either moves work or they don't. It doesn't matter what anyone one thinks at the time a move is made, only how it pans out.

Do I think Hurney should go? Yes. Will it? Doubt it.

[Fox007]

Yeah I agree I don't think Hurney is going anywhere.

A lot of Huddlers say hindsight is 20/20 but that is how a GM is judged. It is in fact the only way to judge a GM[/i]. Either moves work or they don't. It doesn't matter what anyone one thinks at the time a move is made, only how it pans out.

Do I think Hurney should go? Yes. Will it? Doubt it.

And that folks is game.

Yes Hurney should be gone, no he won't be gone, mainly because this team embraces failure.

[Cavscout]

And that folks is game.

Yes Hurney should be gone, no he won't be gone, mainly because this team embraces failure.

I disagree that the team embraces failure. The FO may make some bone-headed decisions from time to time that result in failure but only the Bengals organization truly embraces failure.:yesnod:

[Baschski]

Let's forget for a moment the fact that Hurney is going nowhere.

1. Who the hell would we bring it to replace him?

2. Compare him to the rest of the league and Hurney's done a pretty good job. Highlighting his mistakes while ignoring his good decisions is a completely ignorant way to judge him.

[rayzor]

Other than his first round draft picks he hasn't made good decisions

and I don't want him anywhere near our #1 overall pick.

so he makes good decisions in the first round...but you don't want him near this one? why wouldn't you? if his first round picks are the only thing you could feel that he was good at, why wouldn't you want him handling this one?

i don't really cares if he stays or goes at this point. i just thought this was funny.

[Pimpdaddy]

... when you're eradicating cancer you don't leave a few cells floating around. This conglomeration of sh!t we have looks like Hurney and Fox were never on the same page...

[Kettle]

As compared to what?

the average for GMs

[DaCityKats]

Let's forget for a moment the fact that Hurney is going nowhere.

1. Who the hell would we bring it to replace him?

2. Compare him to the rest of the league and Hurney's done a pretty good job. Highlighting his mistakes while ignoring his good decisions is a completely ignorant way to judge him.

there are young upcoming people in other organizations ready to prove them selves.

aite lets compare him to the pats, falcons, steelers, bucs, ravens, colts, eagles and now the browns, lions gm's. hurn dog needs to step his game up.

[Kurb]

Yeah I agree I don't think Hurney is going anywhere.

A lot of Huddlers say hindsight is 20/20 but that is how a GM is judged. It is in fact the only way to judge a GM. Either moves work or they don't. It doesn't matter what anyone one thinks at the time a move is made, only how it pans out.

Do I think Hurney should go? Yes. Will it? Doubt it.

I judge GM's on the quality of the move at the time it is made.

I didn't like the Edwards trade, and the Brown trade.

He has been money on EVERY 1st rounder he has picked.

Solid GM.