Cheating

[Montsta]

I don't condone cheating and I try to compete with integrity while playings sports and I teach my daughter the same. But sometimes I think JR needs to accept that not all the guys need to be angels. I absolutely love high character guys, but a guy like Vincent Jackson isn't exactly Rae Carruth, whom I think jaded JR permanently. Sometimes guys honestly do learn from mistakes, and not necessarily their first ones either. Our own Steve Smith is a prime example. If he wasn't a Panther when he first punched a teammate, he never would have been. If you have some solid veteran leaders and high character captains on your team, there's no reason why you can't sign guys with a less-than-perfect past. The captains are voted by peers, and are the coaches of the locker room. I say roll the dice and sign some true talent and surround him with high class people and see what happens.

[BBQ&Beer]

Honor.

When I win, it's because I was better. Not because I found a way to bend the rules.

Granted there are really stupid rules, people who cheat, and refs make bad calls but that's part of the game. By that I mean in football, any other sport, and life in general.

If I lose? Oh well, I'll be back.

Nice guys might finish last sometimes, but pussies always make excuses.

[Mr. Scot]

Good guy's finish last, it's sad but that's the way the world goes.

I've lived long enough to learn that's not really as true as people think it is.

[Mr. Scot]

Pardon me while I split a couple of hairs here.

There's cheating...and then there's cheating.

Performance enhancing drugs, video taping signals, trying to tap in to (or disrupt) helmet radio communication, artificial crowd noise, all of those things and things like them are dirty.

Now, playing within whatever parameters the rules allow, including playing rough? Might not win you a humanitarian award, but it will win ball games.

As to the kinds of things that go on in the trenches or the stuff that happens at the bottom of a fumble pile? "Cheating" doesn't adequately describe it :eek:

There's not really a word for that stuff (at least not one that you can use in polite company) but it's part of the game.

For the record, in my playing time growing up, I was kicked, scratched, speared, cheap-shotted, punched in the nuts and any number of other things. About the only thing I don't recall for certain was being bitten, but that did happen to a teammate of mine. And no, I didn't return in kind, but that doesn't mean I did nothing

But hey, it's a physical game. If you're not up for that aspect of it, try Checkers.

[Cat'sGrowl]

[Mr. Scot]

I thought you were linking to the clip from this story: Jets controversy unearths apparent Belichick tripping video

[Cavscout]

A team cheating like the Patriots by videotaping is worse to me than players cheating by taking steroids like some of the Panthers players in 2003.

What Sal Alosi did was stupid more than it was actually cheating, IMO. It was cheating but only in a small way. It really could not affect the outcome of the game as much as it could have seriously injured the player.

[Darth Biscuit]

I feel the same way about cheating as I do about playing teams with hurt players ... I'd rather play the full team and win than beat them because their best pllayer is hurt.

There is a huge difference between playing hard and giving back what you get than cheating.

[Jackofalltrades]

Win the right way or lose with dignity and integrity.

[Montsta]

Well if anything this story has been educational for me. Prior to this, I didn't know just how wide special teams gunners at the NFL level run out of bounds.

I guess this is why Mr. Scot is quite knowledgeable. You been around long enough, you learn sh*t.

[Ccat]

Win with honor. If I won by cheating, I wouldn't even feel like I accomplished anything. Winning by working hard for it and doing it the right way brings satisfaction. That's why even though I know competitors of mine might be taking performance enhancers, I never will.

[panthers55]

Cheating happens when the end justifies the means and the whole focus is on winning. Gaining every edge legal and illegal. Sure your morals are a little skewed but c'mon now, they just ascribe to the theory that since everyone is doing it, you might as make sure you don't miss out. Just like insider trading or Nascar spoilers, everyone is doing everything they can to gain an advantage.

Football has changed from an era where everything goes and the rules are made to be broken, to legislating everything and fining folks for the smallest infraction. From dirt thrown in the face to you can't even use your hands to the face.

I am personally in favor of morals and rules bur that is me. I bet guys like Grimm saw it when he played. I wonder if throwback kind of guys who played that way or coaches who ascribe to those values would say they are simply preserving the game as it used to be played.

Still cheating always seems to be what folks do when they don't think they can win without it. Lets be honest, it feels much better to know you won fair and square. Unless winning is the only goal. And winning justifies the means to get there.

[Pimpdaddy]

I've lived long enough to learn that's not really as true as people think it is.

Cheating is such a harsh word, lets use 'finding a competitive edge'.

[LowDownBrown]

I guess you should always put your best foot forward