Interesting stat that could defend Clausen.

[mav1234]

In Moore's 5 starts (he had no sacks against Chicago and didn't exactly play a ton) he had 13 sacks. 2.6 a game. He had two games where he was sacked 4 times.

Clausen had 33 in 11 games (leaving out NYG & TB for him). 3.3. Also, he was sacked 5 times twice this season and 4 times once.

As a note, BSP was sacked 3 times in his lone start.

It's clear our passing protection was pretty bad no matter who was back there.

[CRA]

With a better qb coach that problem can be fixed.If Jimmy can learn to fix his mistakes then we shouldn't have to worry about this.

I am hoping our new qb coach is the right guy. Honestly our last qb coach never did anything but hurt our qbs. Jake sucked with him, Moore sucked this year and so did Clausen. So maybe qb coach played a role in our suckage at quarter backs?

you don't fix a throwing motion/release in an offseason. there is a reason coaches tend to leave messed up throwing motions alone......there is a reason Notre Dame said we aren't going to try to change it. They could work around that stuff in college b/c of the compeition he faced.

Jake sucked b/c he blew his elbow out in 07. The fact Rip worked w/ him is just a coincidence imo. Rip is garbage though....but that ain't why Jake sucked.

[rmoneyg35]

you don't fix a throwing motion/release in an offseason. there is a reason coaches tend to leave messed up throwing motions alone......there is a reason Notre Dame said we aren't going to try to change it. They could work around that stuff in college b/c of the compeition he faced.

Jake sucked b/c he blew his elbow out in 07. The fact Rip worked w/ him is just a coincidence imo. Rip is garbage though....but that ain't why Jake sucked.

Even if you cant fix the motions, Jimmy has plenty of other problems that can be fixed and I don't see him becoming a NFL star over one offseason. The kid is young and will take time to develop. Hell even Sanchez has a few more years to develop. We must have patience to fix these problems.

BTW I am glad we both agree about Rip.

mav1234

In Moore's 5 starts (he had no sacks against Chicago and didn't exactly play a ton) he had 13 sacks. 2.6 a game. He had two games where he was sacked 4 times.

Clausen had 33 in 11 games (leaving out NYG & TB for him). 3.3. Also, he was sacked 5 times twice this season and 4 times once.

As a note, BSP was sacked 3 times in his lone start.

It's clear our passing protection was pretty bad no matter who was back there.

One stat that I haven't seen is times he was pressure or hurried. We are only looking at sacks but when a Qb is pressure he usually makes bad decisions and throws a int or an incomplete pass. I would love to see how many times he was pressured but I don't think we can find that stat anywhere.

[GoHeels74]

How many times did Clausen drop back, nobody was open so he just waited and waited and then a he'd run backwards and get sacked for a loss of 12? At least 10 of those sacks were his fault.

[rmoneyg35]

How many times did Clausen drop back, nobody was open so he just waited and waited and then a he'd run backwards and get sacked for a loss of 12? At least 10 of those sacks were his fault.

Sorry but we don't listen to people who think TJ Yates will be a goo NFL QB.

But seriously I agree with you that would be his fault, but with a better offense and WRs that can get opened we shouldn't have that problem as much and once again this is another problem that can be fixed.

[frash.exe]

i swear to god anybody with the words "tar" and/or "heel" in their username i'm just going to put on ignore and i encourage everybody else to do the same

do they bring anything to the table

[DaveThePanther2008]

Ever gone into a test not fully prepared? You hesitate just a bit, though you are sure you have the right answer you read over the questions one more time. By the time you get near the end the bell goes off and time is up. CLAUSEN 2010

Now go take that same test, already knowing the questions and preparing more. You go in breeze through the test and are finished 20 minutes before the bell goes off. You know you nailed it and are anxious to move onto the next one. CLAUSEN 2011

[panthers55]

Ever gone into a test not fully prepared? You hesitate just a bit, though you are sure you have the right answer you read over the questions one more time. By the time you get near the end the bell goes off and time is up. CLAUSEN 2010

Now go take that same test, already knowing the questions and preparing more. You go in breeze through the test and are finished 20 minutes before the bell goes off. You know you nailed it and are anxious to move onto the next one. CLAUSEN 2011

Problem is that next year's test builds upon this years much like a sequence course. If you fail inorganic chemistry, then taking organic chemistry becomes twice as hard since you didn't grasp the easier stuff. The 2011 test will be much tougher and the competition is greater, if you do somewhat better it might not be enough since the professor and the course has changed. Lets see what happens but most students who fail an intro class supposedly poorly taught don't pass an upper level one unless something has drastically changed.

[theyhateme45]

If Clausen ever develops pocket presence he can be 5 times the quarterback he is now.

The couple of games on TiVo I was able to record I would go back and watch his plays over and over again.

Jimmy is horrible at avoiding pressure. He tends to take bad escape routes and even run into his own teammates quite often trying to allude pressure. Also when pressure gets to him I see him drop his head a lot and no longer looks down the field... Sometimes if he can rollout towards the sideline he will then pick his head back up and look to make a play.

Finally if you watch and break down a QB like Rodgers he gets pressure on him, but he is great in using 1 of the 4 escape routes to get out o pressure. He also keeps his head down field to quickly make a play. That's why he is so effective. By him avoiding sacks it opens up the offense even more and the defense can not key on one style to get pressure. As a offense you want to limit what the defense can do and force them to think about to consequence of bring pressure. Jimmy does not force teams to do that.

Because of this it is my opinion that Rodgers would have performed just as well with our offensive line/running backs, and Jimmy just as bad with Green Bay O-line running backs.

The key to me is not our offensive line, but pocket awareness, pocket presence, and forcing the defense to think twice about blitzing buy avoiding pressure and making plays down field consistently.

[rmoneyg35]

If Clausen ever develops pocket presence he can be 5 times the quarterback he is now.

The couple of games on TiVo I was able to record I would go back and watch his plays over and over again.

Jimmy is horrible at avoiding pressure. He tends to take bad escape routes and even run into his own teammates quite often trying to allude pressure. Also when pressure gets to him I see him drop his head a lot and no longer looks down the field... Sometimes if he can rollout towards the sideline he will then pick his head back up and look to make a play.

Finally if you watch and break down a QB like Rodgers he gets pressure on him, but he is great in using 1 of the 4 escape routes to get out o pressure. He also keeps his head down field to quickly make a play. That's why he is so effective. By him avoiding sacks it opens up the offense even more and the defense can not key on one style to get pressure. As a offense you want to limit what the defense can do and force them to think about to consequence of bring pressure. Jimmy does not force teams to do that.

Because of this it is my opinion that Rodgers would have performed just as well with our offensive line/running backs, and Jimmy just as bad with Green Bay O-line running backs.

The key to me is not our offensive line, but pocket awareness, pocket presence, and forcing the defense to think twice about blitzing buy avoiding pressure and making plays down field consistently.

Just think, we could of had Aaron Rodgers in that draft. Imagine what we would be like(assuming he would play as good here as he is in GB) if we had Rodgers, we wouldn't even be having this convo right now.

I would have picked Rodgers over Davis any day and our front office thought differently. Very disapointing.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

:beatdeadhorse5:

Kid just better improve and redeem himself a little bit next year.

[mav1234]

Just think, we could of had Aaron Rodgers in that draft. Imagine what we would be like(assuming he would play as good here as he is in GB) if we had Rodgers, we wouldn't even be having this convo right now.

I would have picked Rodgers over Davis any day and our front office thought differently. Very disapointing.

just think what a team would be if it could choose it's draft picks based on 6 years of watching a player develop...

we've never seen Fox develop a QB so I doubt it would have gone so well for us.

[rmoneyg35]

just think what a team would be if it could choose it's draft picks based on 6 years of watching a player develop...

we've never seen Fox develop a QB so I doubt it would have gone so well for us.

I always wondered if Rodgers would have been succesful if he didn't have the coaches that he had and I would also think Farve taught him a few things.

We never developed a qb because we never really drafted a qb before Clausen, besides lefavor or how ever you spell it. Moore was really the only QB that Fox developed but we really can't say much about him because hes never played a full season.

[twylyght]

I believe a more telling stat would be how much time Clausen had to pass. It would be a difficult stat to process, but that would be the true teller of how he fared in the face of pressure vs his peers.

The closest I could find is already posted elsewhere:

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/55003-a-non-sugar-coated-look-at-jimmys-season-post2925589.html#post2925589

What I found is a mixed bag of results. Jimmy is not the ass-clown that the 5 screamers on this board would have you believe. The OLine is DEFINITELY not the world beaters these same ass-clowns would have you believe. Going into the season, I thought they would be a major strength. Instead, I get treated to a year-long display of linemen whiffing on pressure at an average of once per game.

When I saw Clausen get time, he made some horrible plays and some fantastic plays. Frankly, it is what I would expect of a rookie.

As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on Clausen until he gets an actual shot to showcase his skills or lack thereof. If the rest of you think that our OLine is fine with the way they played last season, then you are completely mental. I fully expect Rivera to take a long hard look at this collective unit with an eye on how to make this unit instantly better. If that doesn't get addressed, kiss any chance for a competitive team goodbye.