With this coaching staff...how many game would have we won last year?

[Future of the Funchise]

Talent that has been maintained and developed by the coaching staff.

[monstercat]

Not true at all. Both team's have very iffy O Lines and no one's RB's are scaring anybody (Mendenhall is good but not elite). Steelers WR Corp is average.

The only parts of these teams that are LOADED with talent are GB's WR's, Pittsburgh's D. Also both starting QB's are elite.

Well with two mobile QB's I don't think the O-lines are gonna make that much difference anyway, and both teams can still run the ball pretty well. And they are both loaded on defense...that's not even debatable.

Anyway, the new Panthers coaching staff hasn't proven anything yet, so all anybody can do is guess about what they can or cannot do.

[monstercat]

Talent that has been maintained and developed by the coaching staff.

Yeah, but you have to have that talent in the first place, or it won't matter. There is no way in hell any of us can claim that the 2010 Panthers were loaded with proven talent. Steve Smith was the only real star on the roster and he made just about as many stupid mistakes as those rookies did.

[chef17]

Yeah, but you have to have that talent in the first place, or it won't matter. There is no way in hell any of us can claim that the 2010 Panthers were loaded with proven talent. Steve Smith was the only real star on the roster and he made just about as many stupid mistakes as those rookies did.

Beason, Williams, and Stewart aren't stars? Since when?

[panthers55]

Hard to say how much better we would be since we don'tknow how good these guys are yet. You would think they will be better teachers but who knows if their system is better.

As for whether coaches make a big difference, just look at Dallas this year. Wade goes 1-7 and then Garrett goes 5-3 with the same exact team. If you think coaches aren't more important than the players look at New England when Brady went down and Cassel came in. It was the system that made him moreso than his individual talent. There are numerous examples where a team improves with the same personnel after a coaching change.

[Kakarot]

Instead of 2 wins, we would've gotten 3 or 4 wins. We still would've been terrible.

[Delhommey]

Well with two mobile QB's I don't think the O-lines are gonna make that much difference anyway, and both teams can still run the ball pretty well. And they are both loaded on defense...that's not even debatable.

Anyway, the new Panthers coaching staff hasn't proven anything yet, so all anybody can do is guess about what they can or cannot do.

I'd put our D talent against GB any day of the week. Give us a starting level DT and I'd take us.

[monstercat]

Beason, Williams, and Stewart aren't stars? Since when?

Beason is not much of a star when the DT's can't keep blockers off of him, but OK. The O-line didn't start run blocking well until it was too late to do any good, so they pretty much negated the effectiviness of our RB's.

Don't get me wrong...I do believe this team has some good young talent, but you just can't expect that much from rookie WR's or rookie DE's, not to mention that they were playing rookie 6th rounders at CB late in the year. I'm not sure how much any coaching staff could improve on that, because it's just a matter of letting those players develop.

[monstercat]

I'd put our D talent against GB any day of the week. Give us a starting level DT and I'd take us.

Maybe if we had a B.J. Raji, we would be pretty close, but not quite as good, IMO.

Either way, that doesn't change the fact that we're all guessing about the new coaching staff. We don't know squat about how they will work together yet.

[KatsAzz]

I like these guys. What do you think? Given the same players...how many wins could they have gotten?

My guess would be a minimum of four and a maximum of six.

[bleys]

Coaches don't win games for you. They can factor in to it, sure, but it's about the players. I know you blame Fox a lot for last season, LP, but you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Jimmy and Matt were awful last season and it wouldn't have mattered who was calling the shots or coaching them.

with a staff that cared about making these players better and had a long term plan? a good few more.

coaching alone will easily win 3 or 4 more games for us.

yeah.. when your offensive coordinator doesn't comprehend how to set your ROOKIE QB up for success rather than failure than your coaches are assholes.. and when your coaches do NOTHING to adjust, they are assholes. coaches have a LOT to do with winning.

it's a mix. I don't think Fox caused the injuries that really hurt the team, but I think you can blame the coaching staff for some of the boneheaded play design that was hurting the team early on in the running game and throughout in the passing game, and once Moore went down, we had to start someone who just wasn't ready to be a starter. At the same time the guys never quit and I do think they fought as hard as they could through the season.

No injuries hurt the team last year.. only after the season was long over did we start stacking players on IR. Otah was the only legitimate injury that occurred which had an impact.. if you look at the Steelers OLine, it's been decimated beyond belief and they are still in the big game..

Well with two mobile QB's I don't think the O-lines are gonna make that much difference anyway, and both teams can still run the ball pretty well. And they are both loaded on defense...that's not even debatable.

Anyway, the new Panthers coaching staff hasn't proven anything yet, so all anybody can do is guess about what they can or cannot do.

Steeler's OLine has been beyond DECIMATED.. and you can't expect your QBs to run around every single play and make it to the Superbowl.. which they don't do on every play.

and after last year, our coaches only have to show they have a little intelligence and we're going to win a few more games than last year.. Rivera and everyone may not have proven anything yet, but Fox and company sure as hell proved last year they didn't know the first thing to adapt to last years woes..

[Cat'sGrowl]

Here's a poster who has no idea what he's talking about

This.

[Lumps]

A teacher has a lot to do with a student's success.

[theyhateme45]

2-3, I don't see Jimmy developing pocket presence and confidence over night.... still a young team, and even on paper we were out matched in most of our games.

At the end of the day It's my opinion that Good QB's tend to make coaches look better, and bad QB's make coaches look horrible.