Analysts Interpretations On Cam's Workout

[mountainpantherfan]

OK, this is driving me crazy. How can people keep bashing him for the "one read" offense ran in college, and then say he needed to stay in school for another year?

And BTW, there were definitely times when he went to his 2 and 3rd passing options, so we need to stop pretending that this kid is too stupid to make decisions on the field. There is no reason whatsoever why he can't learn this stuff, so long as he is willing to work...and he is proving right now that he is willing because he's already doing it. He is doing classroom and film work along with all of this fundamental training. What else can he do? What more can you ask him to do, short of proving it in an NFL game, which is not possible right now?

I swear, I believe that some of you would rather have Delhomme back than to shoot for greatness.

See, that is where I have issues. He shouldn't need to do this pro day or even the combine to prove anything. Pro days and the combine are for teams to be able to seperate similar players, not prove a player.

To me Newton is what he is. He is a late 1st, early 2nd round player (based on where other similar QBs have been drafted in past drafts, not where he should be ranked among this draft class) that needs to be developed but has great physical skills and a lot of upside.

I'm okay if someone thinks the Panthers should take that risk and draft him #1 overall. Just don't present Newton like he is a can't miss, pro QB out of the gate type of player. That doesn't mean he isn't worth the #1 but he is what he is.

[monstercat]

See, that is where I have issues. He shouldn't need to do this pro day or even the combine to prove anything. Pro days and the combine are for teams to be able to seperate similar players, not prove a player.

To me Newton is what he is. He is a late 1st, early 2nd round player (based on where other similar QBs have been drafted in past drafts, not where he should be ranked among this draft class) that needs to be developed but has great physical skills and a lot of upside.

I'm okay if someone thinks the Panthers should take that risk and draft him #1 overall. Just don't present Newton like he is a can't miss, pro QB out of the gate type of player. That doesn't mean he isn't worth the #1 but he is what he is.

Well there is no such thing as a can't miss QB, so you have to take a chance on somebody, and if that's the case, you might as well go after the guy with the most upside. And what is wrong with developing a QB anyway? Why do people think a rookie QB has to be ready to win a Super Bowl right away? There is nothing realistic about that kind of thinking, especially for us.

[Mr. Scot]

So you're going to pass on someone just because they won the Heisman?

Pass on them? No, but I'd caution anybody against using the Heisman or the National Championship as an argument in favor of drafting a quarterback.

Take a look back at the names of the guys that have done those two things over the past ten years or so and you'll see why.

[theyhateme45]

Well there is no such thing as a can't miss QB, so you have to take a chance on somebody, and if that's the case, you might as well go after the guy with the most upside. And what is wrong with developing a QB anyway? Why do people think a rookie QB has to be ready to win a Super Bowl right away? There is nothing realistic about that kind of thinking, especially for us.

There may not be a Can't miss QB, but there are QB's with various levels of risk when drafting.

Developing a QB is not automatic, and will and desire is not always enough. Some players just don't make that leap and the game can't slow down for them.

No one expects them to be a superbowl QB day 1, but they also want someone who has thrown more than 280 times in a season (while not running for almost just as many)... Some who has shown signs or glipses that he can read complex defenses, schems, ect. I mean he has just started to learn how to read fronts and nickel backs and other coverages....These are Basics for an NFL QB, so he has a long ways to go....Some just don't think he has shown anything to prove that he can make it. Which is very fair.

[firstdayfan]

I'm not for or against Newton, I like his potential but who knows. I'm excited about seeing him in the combine. I have two points that I want to bring up and if they have been said already I apologize.

1) The Golden Calf of Bristol came from a gimmick offense and had much better players around him (Percy harvin). He seemed to transition just fine and in my opinion Newton is a better athlete and has a much better arm...plus he has shown that he is willing to work and get better.

2) And what is with all the talk of the type of offense a QB comes from? I understand it helps a ton but didn't Jimmy play in a "pro style" offense geared to helping a QB succeed. Didn't seem to help him.

The only thing that can be said about newton is potential...he has the potential to he the next Vince Young or the next Josh Freeman if not better. It just depends on if you are willing to take that chance.

We haven got much value out of our first pick the past few years and it has definitely hurt us in terms of wins and losses. I think we are in a position that we need to take advantage of to get the best possible player...who has as little risk as possible. And I feel strongly that the closes thing to a sure thing right now is AJ Green.

[monstercat]

Yeah, Jimmy Clausen didn't even have to learn a different system than he played in college. Just about all the experts were saying that he would have the easiest transition of any QB taken last year, but it didn't mean squat when he got on the field.

[bleys]

They are concerns, but it sure sounds like some people have already made up their minds that he's gonna fail to answer them. He did this workout to prove that he's working hard, yet people keep saying they have questions about his work ethic. I mean, what else can he do?

to me, it seems these discussions get dragged out soooo long and have been gone over, over, and over that the discussion is no longer about the original point. it's now based on taking defensive stands and past conversations that have nothing to do with the current conversation..

I do it all the time.. I've had past conversations about drafting Green or Fairley, and carry those conversations with me into new discussions..

it's no longer what I originally meant, but down the rabbit hole we go..

[mick eye]

OK first and most importantly looking the part and being for real is to different things.

Cam and his handlers are putting on a dog and pony show to try and get that number 1 money. In a WEAK QB class they are trying to entice someone to either trade up or us to overpay. I hope some team decides they must have him and trades with us. But if we are suckered into paying this mercenary 100+ plus million then i will be very very sad.

To analyze the guy i will say this. Cam got by on raw physical talent and a gimmick offense in college. In the big leagues everyone is a freak and geniuses will gameplan to stop and confuse him. He will need to learn more complicated schemes and also put in lots and lots of work. I doubt his love for the game. I don't see him being a gym and film fiend. Red flags were waved during his college career and you can not ignore them.

Lastly allow me to troll FDfan a bit.

1. The Golden Calf of Bristol has the intangibles. Guy has more passion and will to win than i have seen from anyone in a long time. Cam is more talented physically but his heart is a lot smaller.

2. The college offenses have made it tougher to project future success in the NFL.

Sanchez and Stafford were both from a pro style. Freeman not so much. But there will always be talk of college schemes. And Jimmy does not deserve his career to buried by Davidson, Fox and fans looking for instant gratification

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J-Stew, Otah, Beason, Dwill, Gamble, TD, Gross and Pep. I am not in the least worried about not getting VALUE out of our first round pick. Matter of fact i see us joining the conspiracy to make Cam the top QB and loading up on picks.

[theyhateme45]

I'm not for or against Newton, I like his potential but who knows. I'm excited about seeing him in the combine. I have two points that I want to bring up and if they have been said already I apologize.

1) The Golden Calf of Bristol came from a gimmick offense and had much better players around him (Percy harvin). He seemed to transition just fine and in my opinion Newton is a better athlete and has a much better arm...plus he has shown that he is willing to work and get better.

2) And what is with all the talk of the type of offense a QB comes from? I understand it helps a ton but didn't Jimmy play in a "pro style" offense geared to helping a QB succeed. Didn't seem to help him. The only thing that can be said about newton is potential...he has the potential to he the next Vince Young or the next Josh Freeman if not better. It just depends on if you are willing to take that chance.

We haven got much value out of our first pick the past few years and it has definitely hurt us in terms of wins and losses. I think we are in a position that we need to take advantage of to get the best possible player...who has as little risk as possible. And I feel strongly that the closes thing to a sure thing right now is AJ Green.

There are more factors than just running a pro style offense that goes to how well you do in the NFL... All factors matter, you can't isolate just one. Some maybe more than others. This is why an Elite QB is rare... and teams who find one are usually good bacause it is difficult for a QB to have everything come together in the NFL.

Jimmy in terms of having to learn plays, understanding terminolgy was NFL ready. However that is not enough to be good in the NFL, which is why he fell in the draft. Though you can't make it without being able to have a great grasp of NFL offensive systems, You also need way more to be successful. Jimmy is missing the way more.

You have to have pocket presence which is the #1 thing Jimmy is missing right now, along with other things... but this is not a criticize Jimmy thread.

So right now Cam is missing one major attribute he needs to succeed in the NFL. He may never make that leap, and never live up to potential like plenty before him... Or he may develope and learn it and be a Elite NFL franchise QB. So yes that factor is Important! But it's not the only important factor needed.

[Snake]

to me, it seems these discussions get dragged out soooo long and have been gone over, over, and over that the discussion is no longer about the original point. it's now based on taking defensive stands and past conversations that have nothing to do with the current conversation..

I do it all the time.. I've had past conversations about drafting Green or Fairley, and carry those conversations with me into new discussions..

it's no longer what I originally meant, but down the rabbit hole we go..

This is very true. I try to stick to the facts most of the time but I will admit I support Newton. I want a exciting player that will give us that old delhomme fire. I miss that in our QB.

[CatMan72]

Pass on them? No, but I'd caution anybody against using the Heisman or the National Championship as an argument in favor of drafting a quarterback.

Take a look back at the names of the guys that have done those two things over the past ten years or so and you'll see why.

I wouldn't pass on someone or draft them because of the Heisman.

[Panthro]

Perhaps Cam should next hold a clinic to circumcize young south pacific boys. Draft stock would shot through the roof.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Perhaps Cam should next hold a clinic to circumcize young south pacific boys. Draft stock would shot through the roof.

Hmmm well this thread has a new best post

[monstercat]

Perhaps Cam should next hold a clinic to circumcize young south pacific boys. Draft stock would shot through the roof.

LOL, now were getting somewhere!