An honest look at Bryce Young

[panthers55]

17 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Finding positives in Bryce’s most recent play which constitutes over a third of his career so far = cherry picking. Obsessing over the negatives of his rookie season and first 2 games of sophomore season = the only acceptable way to form an outlook on Bryce Young. Makes total sense. Wish you guys would stop cherry picking only his NFL stats! You can call pretty much anything cherry picking it’s not hard.

It shows progression from terrible to very good. What we have said is that by the end of the year he was playing like a top 10 qb. Not all year, not for his career but by the end of the year. Honestly most informed fans would surely agree with that. PFF did.

Edited 5 hours ago by panthers55

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

As I been saying, he has to put together a full season of good play this year. No more cherry picking stats of a few games. If we went based off that then most qbs would be top of the league. 

Of course he needs to put together a full season and there is no reason to suggest he won't. His progress last year was great and unless you think he has already reached his ceiling he should continue to get better. That is why folks are excited for the first time in years. Who knows what will happen but to have a qb who finished the year playing excellently and is only going into his 3rd year, you need to be excited. At least until we have reason to think differently.

[ForJimmy]

Doing a little digging and it looks like PFF didn't penalize him for the XL drop during that Chiefs game.  I also think the moral of the story is most teams aren't chunking it 20 plus yards for completions multiple times every game.  Hit a couple of those and you can be one of the top "deep" ball passers that week.  

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Finding positives in Bryce’s most recent play which constitutes over a third of his career so far = cherry picking. Obsessing over the negatives of his rookie season and first 2 games of sophomore season = the only acceptable way to form an outlook on Bryce Young. Makes total sense. Wish you guys would stop cherry picking only his NFL stats! You can call pretty much anything cherry picking it’s not hard.

The framing continues to be if you disagree with this top 10 play making….its then somehow spun as denying his improvement or hating.

if you take Bryce’s career and exclude his last 2 starts……there really is no objective argument that isn’t a bottom tier starter to date. Is yeah, it’s cherry picking, recency bias and his surprising inability improvement driving it into a bit of silliness. 

Literally nothing argued here except the top 10 stuff is overkill.  

But it’s also the same time of year when folks can get bashed for saying Frank is a bad hire, Fitterer sucks and should be fired with Rhule, Ben McAdoo was a joke hire for a staff that forced into rejects, Rhule doesn’t know what he is doing and clearly exposed when reporters got into camp, the Sam/Baker comp and not picking one is dumb, and on and on.  Lot of frankly conservative takes are spun as wild hate this time of year. 
 

[Gapanthersfan]

For the ones who are still extremely doubtful, what exactly will Bryce need to accomplish statistically speaking before y’all will say he’s a really good, franchise QB? Or is it subjective, or both? I want yards, TDs, INT #, comp percentage, etc. what exactly does he have to do this year before you are swayed? What will it take,  # wise before you believe? 

[mrcompletely11]

44 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Yeah PFF has him ranked the fifth best qb since week 9 which has been posted already.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/advanced-analytics-bryce-young-superstar

 

We find what we are looking for. Took me a minute or less to find it. I bet you want to argue with this too. Found 2 more articles ranking him 11th and 14th but didn't include them since you wanted top 10.

from week 9 on

Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion

 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

from week 9 on

Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion

 

"The raw stats don't always tell the story, and that's definitely true with Bryce Young. The Carolina Panthers QB's season stat line is middling at best, and even some of his strongest days as a starter this year didn't result in dominant box scores."

"Context matters, but there are also some things traditional metrics just can't capture. There's value in those, but advanced analytics seek to illustrate how good or bad a player was beyond the box score. In the case of Young, the analytics paint a beautiful picture."

-That's the first two paragraphs from the article he posted.  PFF isn't going to always agree with a simple box score.  Box Score's don't always tell the story and PFF has a lot of gray areas.  At the end of the day we have eyes and have to simply watch the games to see the improvements or not.  

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

"The raw stats don't always tell the story, and that's definitely true with Bryce Young. The Carolina Panthers QB's season stat line is middling at best, and even some of his strongest days as a starter this year didn't result in dominant box scores."

"Context matters, but there are also some things traditional metrics just can't capture. There's value in those, but advanced analytics seek to illustrate how good or bad a player was beyond the box score. In the case of Young, the analytics paint a beautiful picture."

-That's the first two paragraphs from the article he posted.  PFF isn't going to always agree with a simple box score.  Box Score's don't always tell the story and PFF has a lot of gray areas.  At the end of the day we have eyes and have to simply watch the games to see the improvements or not.  

that reads like a funny way to try and pump him up.  At the end of the day Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion since week 9.  If you guys want to argue he was a top 5 qb during that time, sure man go for but the stats are the stats.

[Navy_football]

It's obvious that a light switched on since returning from being benched. He is trending in a very positive direction. That's all we should hope for from a 2nd year QB. His performance at the end of last season should inspire hope from the fan base. Hopefully the rest of the team is improved enough to take advantage of his rookie contract. But, that is depending on a lot of really young and new players. Dan is planning long term, but hoping to catch lightening in a bottle with a couple of younger vets on the edge of breaking out. No one knows what will happen. You can choose to be optimistic, or you can choose to crap on everything, all the time. 

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

from week 9 on

Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion

 

You keep arguing what no one else is arguing against or even care about. Yards per game is a quantity stat that has more to do with the scheme you run and not the quality of your quarterback. There are  many better quality stats which do distinguish quarterbacks many of which are highlighted by PFF where he was top 10. When you make these kind of statements I wonder if you are just being argumentative or do you really not know better.....

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

that reads like a funny way to try and pump him up.  At the end of the day Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion since week 9.  If you guys want to argue he was a top 5 qb during that time, sure man go for but the stats are the stats.

I've never said he was a top 5 lol.  Stats are stats unless it "garbage time" stats right?  I remember you crying about those plenty of times.  Stats without context don't tell the story.  I just find it funny that he shared an article that literally said the box score didn't look great but let's take a deeper look and your response was basically bro look at the box score....

[Navy_football]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

from week 9 on

Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion

 

Most QBs that throw for 300+ yards don't actually throw for 300+ yards in the air. There is YAC in there that boosts numbers. Hopefully Carolina gets a little of that soon. Haven't really had that since McCaffrey and DJ Moore. 

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I've never said he was a top 5 lol.  Stats are stats unless it "garbage time" stats right?  I remember you crying about those plenty of times.  Stats without context don't tell the story.  I just find it funny that he shared an article that literally said the box score didn't look great but let's take a deeper look and your response was basically bro look at the box score....

Without context these "stats" are absolutely meaningless.  Are these throws completions?  How is the passing grade calculated?  Offensive grade?

 

T-1 in BTT% • 2nd in BTT’s • T-3 in aDOT • 4th in Deep (20+) Passing grade • 5th in Overall Passing grade • 5th in Passing grade under pressure • 6th in Offensive grade • 6th in P2S%

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Without context these "stats" are absolutely meaningless.  Are these throws completions?  How is the passing grade calculated?  Offensive grade?

 

T-1 in BTT% • 2nd in BTT’s • T-3 in aDOT • 4th in Deep (20+) Passing grade • 5th in Overall Passing grade • 5th in Passing grade under pressure • 6th in Offensive grade • 6th in P2S%

It's PFF and they explain it.  There are definitely some gray areas as we mentioned.  Some people like analytics and taking deep dives, but sometimes they can not align with narratives and that makes some people hate them (not singling you out as I've been guilty of this too).  To each their own.  Regardless it's pretty widely accepted throughout the league and fans.