Monday practice tweets

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I can see where you are coming from, but the real good QBs are more cerebral.  They just go through progressions based on the plays called.  Sure some will force the deep pass when they probably shouldn't and the great WRs will bail them out.  To me if a QB is good they are going through the reads and if the deep shot makes the most since with a safety gambling in the box then you take it, if they are leaving the check down wide open, then you take it.  Mahomes for example is labeled a deep shot QB, but she loves the check downs.  He has mastered taking what the defense gives him.  A lot of the highlight plays are when they are needing a comeback and he is forced to throw these deeper passes.  It also depends on the offense they are in West Coast QBs aren't going to force deep passes as much by design. 

yeah, I mean, sign me up for Peyton Manning all day. 

but if I got to pick between Teddy and Jake?  Give me Jake.  I'll side w/ entertaining over sensible if they both lead to the same final destination. 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

yeah, I mean, sign me up for Peyton Manning all day. 

but if I got to pick between Teddy and Jake?  Give me Jake.  I'll side w/ entertaining over sensible if they both lead to the same final destination. 

Yeah I'm all for going down swinging if you have to choose, but I'd prefer not to be forced into that choice.  

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

yeah, I mean, sign me up for Peyton Manning all day. 

but if I got to pick between Teddy and Jake?  Give me Jake.  I'll side w/ entertaining over sensible if they both lead to the same final destination. 

Jake style, TO prone gunslingers are not en vogue in the current era. Offenses are more QB TO averse than in previous eras.

[Proudiddy]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I think at the end of the year we saw Bryce getting comfortable in DC's offense and his weapons were getting open at a decent rate.  Suddenly his deep ball looks decent.  His rookie year appeared to have ruined some of his confidence and with that went mechanics and decision making.  I personally feel like the no deep ball talk was put to rest as he was literally completing deep passes.  PFF ranked him as one of the better deep ball passers in the later half of the season.  Again this shows me that the scheme and the weapons play a major factor in the deep ball.  To be clear, I'm not saying he has a cannon or that he will be our franchise QB.  I'm simply saying he has all the tools to succeed in this offense.  It's more like a no excuses and I expect a certain level of production from our offense.  If that doesn't happen then we will have some big decisions to make this offseason. 

And I can see that perspective too.  And I’m aware of the “big-time throw” stats and such from PFF down the stretch last season - I think for me, it’s hard to not think back to what we saw prior to that stretch.  Is that the norm or the exception?  Games like that last one against ATL, how he played against the Chiefs, those are really encouraging, but again, which Bryce is the player we should expect to see moving forward.  After a season and a half of horrid play, it’s hard to just pretend that didn’t happen.  But again, for the reasons you mentioned, I’m really hoping he has hit his stride.  And yet, at the same time, I’m haunted by the ghost of Cam, because once you’ve had a QB that can run around people, run over people, jump over people, carry 11 defenders, and throw lasers 70 yards downfield, it’s hard to say, “yes.  This average looking gentleman with below average pro QB measurables will be our franchise QB.”  But again, hoping for the best.  I know how much confidence can make a difference in a player’s game. 

[amcoolio]

39 minutes ago, frankw said:

Stroud was a simple layup on a lowered hoop. Just walk up and toss it in and go to work. Definition of simplicity. Still failed. Tepper's in a nutshell.

The problem with Bryce is even if he establishes himself to be a middle of the pack QB you have to consider if the contract will be worth it looking at other teams that have made similar decisions and regretted it like the Giants with Daniel Jones for example. The worst thing we could do is ink him to a huge contract extension for showing just enough improvement for the front office to justify.

Bryce shown more advanced passing in his last 5 NFL games than Daniel Jones ever has in his entire career, college or pros. It was a stupid contract for that franchise to hand out, given what Daniel had shown, which is was just basic level passing combined with decent scramble ability.

Look I was very down on Bryce last year too and the jury is certainly still out but he is being underrated at this point. The passing and offensive command he showed in week 18 against Atlanta was as good as any QB that has ever played for this franchise. 

Luckily Carolina will have their answer in either direction after this year and can make a decision.

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Jake style, TO prone gunslingers are not en vogue in the current era. Offenses are more QB TO averse than in previous eras.

I'm just saying if my destination is 8 wins.  I would rather watch Jake get me there than Teddy. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, CRA said:

I'm just saying if my destination is 8 wins.  I would rather watch Jake get me there than Teddy. 

Yeah, I mean I can understand the thinking behind it. At least between all the boneheaded throws/INT's you will get some wild completions and TD's. 

Ideally, you just have better than both.

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

And I can see that perspective too.  And I’m aware of the “big-time throw” stats and such from PFF down the stretch last season - I think for me, it’s hard to not think back to what we saw prior to that stretch.  Is that the norm or the exception?  Games like that last one against ATL, how he played against the Chiefs, those are really encouraging, but again, which Bryce is the player we should expect to see moving forward.  After a season and a half of horrid play, it’s hard to just pretend that didn’t happen.  But again, for the reasons you mentioned, I’m really hoping he has hit his stride.  And yet, at the same time, I’m haunted by the ghost of Cam, because once you’ve had a QB that can run around people, run over people, jump over people, carry 11 defenders, and throw lasers 70 yards downfield, it’s hard to say, “yes.  This average looking gentleman with below average pro QB measurables will be our franchise QB.”  But again, hoping for the best.  I know how much confidence can make a difference in a player’s game. 

I get the skepticism, but my point was if there were concerns about true physical limitations of arm strength it should have been put to rest.  He was literally making passes some fans thought he wasn't physically capable of.  

I think we as fans naturally want to compare him to Cam and that's always going to fall short (pun intended).  Cam's strengths will never be Bryce's strengths.  You have to think of Bryce in a different light.  I still think his ceiling is a short Joe Burrow (who is one of the more cerebral QBs in the league).  Pocket presence with progression through his reads is where you want to see Bryce shine.  To the average looking gentleman comment, if you saw Brees on the streets you wouldn't be impressed either, the Mannings and Brady are just taller but nothing physically imposing, Mahomes is 6'2" and rocking the "dad bod."  I think that is just us Panthers fans being so use to Cam being such a physically dominating presence.  

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

And I can see that perspective too.  And I’m aware of the “big-time throw” stats and such from PFF down the stretch last season - I think for me, it’s hard to not think back to what we saw prior to that stretch.  Is that the norm or the exception?  Games like that last one against ATL, how he played against the Chiefs, those are really encouraging, but again, which Bryce is the player we should expect to see moving forward.  After a season and a half of horrid play, it’s hard to just pretend that didn’t happen.  But again, for the reasons you mentioned, I’m really hoping he has hit his stride.  And yet, at the same time, I’m haunted by the ghost of Cam, because once you’ve had a QB that can run around people, run over people, jump over people, carry 11 defenders, and throw lasers 70 yards downfield, it’s hard to say, “yes.  This average looking gentleman with below average pro QB measurables will be our franchise QB.”  But again, hoping for the best.  I know how much confidence can make a difference in a player’s game. 

PFF is the weirdest good bad thing out there.  I mean, they will make these statements about player X was the best week 1 at doing Y.  But I swear it often makes no sense how they actually get to some of their statements/conclusions.  Feels like everyone on their team is using different standards (subjective takes) and you end up with things that make little sense when you bring it all together. 

Like even some of the hot takes of Bryce was the best deep passer in week whatever.  Ok, but then you look around that week and it makes no sense how they get to that statement.   Bryce might be 2/4.  Meanwhile someone else goes 3/5 with a bomb touchdown and they deem that worse. 

[ForJimmy]

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Jake style, TO prone gunslingers are not en vogue in the current era. Offenses are more QB TO averse than in previous eras.

Yeah it's why Howell is on his 3rd team in 3 years.  He can play QB and he can sling the ball.  He just has to limit turnovers.  If there is a coach who can team his this it's O'Connell though.  Look what he did with Darnold who has very similar issues.  

[Icege]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

PFF is the weirdest good bad thing out there.  I mean, they will make these statements about player X was the best week 1 at doing Y.  But I swear it often makes no sense how they actually get to some of their statements/conclusions.  Feels like everyone on their team is using different standards (subjective takes) and you end up with things that make little sense when you bring it all together. 

Like even some of the hot takes of Bryce was the best deep passer in week whatever.  Ok, but then you look around that week and it makes no sense how they get to that statement.   Bryce might be 2/4.  Meanwhile someone else goes 3/5 with a bomb touchdown and they deem that worse. 

When looking at the film instead of just the box scores like was done in here once or twice, it was clear why he was rated higher.

[CPcavedweller]

On 8/11/2025 at 12:41 PM, Pejorative Miscreant said:

If your boss is anything like mine in her 3rd trimester I would recommend keeping this to yourself and not bringing it up at all.

Congratulations!

Sounds like you need to go work for a new company if this type of humor isn't appreciated. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Yeah it's why Howell is on his 3rd team in 3 years.  He can play QB and he can sling the ball.  He just has to limit turnovers.  If there is a coach who can team his this it's O'Connell though.  Look what he did with Darnold who has very similar issues.  

I don't think Howell is fixable. He's just a Winston/Favre-esque gunslinger. It's not often those guys really change that.

He has a decent ceiling, Baker Mayfield. That's basically the limit of his level of gunslinger and I don't think he can achieve that.

He was just born in the wrong era(feel the same about Winston). 

[frankw]

18 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Bryce shown more advanced passing in his last 5 NFL games than Daniel Jones ever has in his entire career, college or pros. It was a stupid contract for that franchise to hand out, given what Daniel had shown, which is was just basic level passing combined with decent scramble ability.

Look I was very down on Bryce last year too and the jury is certainly still out but he is being underrated at this point. The passing and offensive command he showed in week 18 against Atlanta was as good as any QB that has ever played for this franchise. 

Luckily Carolina will have their answer in either direction after this year and can make a decision.

Jones is not a good QB and a turnover machine but he has made some franchise QB level throws. I've seen some nice throws from Bryce but to pretend like he is head and shoulders a more capable passer than Daniel Jones is not rooted in reality currently. Let's talk turkey not fantasy. Look at Jones completion percentage in his best year. 67%. Bryce is barely 60%. And let's keep this in perspective. Jones has something neither of our top 2 QB's here have. That's a playoff win.

I would have to disagree. Is it even possible to underrate someone when they go from amongst the worst of the worst to fringe top 20? I think most people see this for what it is. Bryce has some things he does very well. He's finally displaying the movement in and around the pocket that he showed in college. He has a nice ball in certain scenarios but there are still throws that defenses are waiting to see him make on a consistent basis. That's where the story will change.

Edited 13 hours ago by frankw