Monday practice tweets

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He said one of the greatest and it was record breaking so an argument can be made for it. That’s all I’m saying. Do I personally think it was top 5? Nah. Top 10? Maybe. If you score 5 TDs and have lower yards you simply ran out of real estate. I don’t see that as a negative. He can’t create more yardage after he scores. 
 

it’s also not that massive of a statement. Our top 10 is basically all Cam with a couple Jake sprinkled in there. 

All I’m saying is claiming it as, as good as any performance in Carolina history….is the continuing trend of taking something good done by Bryce and then taking it too far.  

for example, Bryce had an incredible turnaround last year that even the most optimistic fan couldn’t see coming.  Instead of letting that be something awesome… the well he actually was a top 10 QB stuff gets layered on top.   And then I’m a hater for taking issue with the over the top part while agreeing with the basic core. 

It was a great finish. His best game.  And a super efficient game.  But it can’t be that, it has to then be as good any anything we have ever seen.  Well, it’s not that though.  

 

[ForJimmy]

43 minutes ago, frankw said:

We did not draft 5 foot 9 and a half Bryce Young to win games with his legs. We drafted him for his arm talent and ability to process on the field both of which were hyped immensely. Full stop.

To be clear 3 passing touchdowns is impressive and I've said as much and complimented him on his progress from and this is not hyperbole one of the worst QB's in the league at one point. The issue is it's one game and it has only been replicated one other time. And the other issue is even in games like this where his scoring output goes up his yardage is still low. That paired with the subject of his lack of 300 yard games and otherwise lack of 2 or more TD's games creates a conversation of sustainability and what is a realistic expectation for him as the "norm" going forward. And for right now Bryce Young scoring 2 rushing touchdowns in a single game when he only had 6 total rushing touchdowns in 14 games last year only exacerbates the need for that question to be asked. It is unfortunately very real and certainly something to consider.

And just for clarity sake for comparison last year in a losing outing against the Rams Josh Allen threw for 3 touchdowns and rushed for 3 more scores. He accumulated a total of 424 yards. In regulation. Bryce Young's herculean coming out game as some here would describe only accumulated a combined 275 yards while going to overtime.

And to be abundantly clear since you are choosing to take potshots at me about Stroud which only serves to aid you in portraying me as a hater. I did not bring him up here. I only responded to a conversation that occurred.

As always. As I've said. I want Bryce to be the guy here. I don't want another reset where we have to wait 2 or 3 more seasons to see if a new guy is "him". If and when Bryce strings together multiple elite passing performances this upcoming season to cement himself at least as a top 12 QB then I will give praise where it is due 100%. But that is the bar or at least it should be. We've invested immensely in this offense and in him.

TDs are TDs they count for the same amount of points however you get them. If it’s open you run it in. Again this whole debate is ranking single game performances by Panthers QBs. Rambling on about all his other shortcomings isn’t relevant unless it just makes you feel better. 

[ForJimmy]

42 minutes ago, CRA said:

All I’m saying is claiming it as, as good as any performance in Carolina history….is the continuing trend of taking something good done by Bryce and then taking it too far.  

for example, Bryce had an incredible turnaround last year that even the most optimistic fan couldn’t see coming.  Instead of letting that be something awesome… the well he actually was a top 10 QB stuff gets layered on top.   And then I’m a hater for taking issue with the over the top part while agreeing with the basic core. 

It was a great finish. His best game.  And a super efficient game.  But it can’t be that, it has to then be as good any anything we have ever seen.  Well, it’s not that though.  

 

His good performances do get overblown by fans. I’d credit that to our pure desperation of anything from the QB position. When he plays well some will continue to overhype while others will continue to discredit it. I feel like that’s always going to happen in sports. Especially in relation to the QB position. 

[frankw]

13 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

TDs are TDs they count for the same amount of points however you get them. If it’s open you run it in. Again this whole debate is ranking single game performances by Panthers QBs. Rambling on about all his other shortcomings isn’t relevant unless it just makes you feel better. 

Say it with me slowly. Sustainability. That's what we are waiting to find out with Bryce. What parts of his game are and are not sustainable. If you disagree with me about his rushing that is your prerogative.

[frankw]

Also I see you slinking around here af 6 am spamming poo reactions @Icege

Don't you have a family?

[ForJimmy]

41 minutes ago, frankw said:

Say it with me slowly. Sustainability. That's what we are waiting to find out with Bryce. What parts of his game are and are not sustainable. If you disagree with me about his rushing that is your prerogative.

We are talking about a single game performance. You are way out in left field rambling on at this point. 

[amcoolio]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Say it with me slowly. Sustainability. That's what we are waiting to find out with Bryce. What parts of his game are and are not sustainable. If you disagree with me about his rushing that is your prerogative.

I’m glad to know my comment can spark days and pages of conversations

I never said Bryce was the best QB, we are set, he is consistent. If you read the rest of my post I said the jury is still out and luckily we can decide after this year if he’s worth the contract or not. But stats aside, which I didn’t even remember or care nor are stats everything, he did show as much advanced passing skill - ball placement, timing, footwork, zip - as anyone we’ve ever seen here towards the end of the season. I don’t see how that’s debatable. I’m a huge Cam defender, and Cam showed great poise and accuracy especially in 15 and 17… Jake had a lot of downs with the ups even from game to game.. both Jake and Cam had great leadership and intangibles and both are better than Bryce.. I’m not belittling either of them by saying that Bryce’s passing skill in that Atlanta game was very very good. Now if he regresses and isn’t consistent, starts being bad in the pocket again… then that is that and we can draft a new QB next year. I think even the most ardent Bryce supporters know he is on shaky ground.  

[frankw]

45 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

I’m glad to know my comment can spark days and pages of conversations

I never said Bryce was the best QB, we are set, he is consistent. If you read the rest of my post I said the jury is still out and luckily we can decide after this year if he’s worth the contract or not. But stats aside, which I didn’t even remember or care nor are stats everything, he did show as much advanced passing skill - ball placement, timing, footwork, zip - as anyone we’ve ever seen here towards the end of the season. I don’t see how that’s debatable. I’m a huge Cam defender, and Cam showed great poise and accuracy especially in 15 and 17… Jake had a lot of downs with the ups even from game to game.. both Jake and Cam had great leadership and intangibles and both are better than Bryce.. I’m not belittling either of them by saying that Bryce’s passing skill in that Atlanta game was very very good. Now if he regresses and isn’t consistent, starts being bad in the pocket again… then that is that and we can draft a new QB next year. I think even the most ardent Bryce supporters know he is on shaky ground.  

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The conversation boils down to some people have a different level of expectations. The losing has created a faction of fans who are content with anything that isn't outright atrocious or worst in the league. An understandable position given some of what we've endured over the years. Then there is the other faction who know that we have only had two long term starting QB's in 30 years of history. There have been brief mirages like Matt Moore and Kyle Allen for example which is why it's very important to get a larger sample size. And while both Cam and Jake had their flaws (that were also discussed and beaten to a bloody pulp here) they undoubtedly elevated the team around them and had an undeniable (before injuries of course) ability to put the ball generally wherever they wanted to as passers. That's the QB we need for the future. I don't care who it is. But when I see it consistently I'll know it and rejoice accordingly. But that's going to take us being competitive and winning games when it matters.