Monday practice tweets

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

I get that, but given his college production, his actual skill set, and what he's shown in camp, he really just seems like the only way he doesn't at least play to his floor is if he can't stay healthy or he just gets a huge head and stops putting in the effort, the latter of which I don't see happening.

So hopefully he stays healthy (knock on wood), but there's unfortunately no way of predicting health, you can really only predict a player not able to stay healthy if they already had problems doing so in college.

I mean, we have a list of high production college WR's that have been busts that is probably as long as anyone in the NFL in our 25 years of existence. Like I said, take nothing for granted. 

26 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

yikes. Lewis and Zavala are banged up. That ain't good.

Yeah, we don't need our strongest and deepest unit to be limping into the season. 

That is one thing that gets lost in the shuffle of all the doom and gloom about last season. We were actually fairly lucky on the injury front in comparison to some previous years. We had some massive losses like Brown and some general dings but overall it wasn't bad by Panther standards. We need the same this season.

Edited August 12 by kungfoodude

[tukafan21]

26 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, we have a list of high production college WR's that have been busts that is probably as long as anyone in the NFL in our 25 years of existence. Like I said, take nothing for granted. 

 

Sure, totally get it, I also just have an absurdly high level of confidence in T-Mac, lol.

I've said it before, there have been a lot of Arizona football and basketball players that I thought were going to be great pros, all star/pro type of guys.  And there have been plenty of them who just did not pan out in the end, in both sports, some drafted very high, like Derrick Williams #2 overall in the NBA draft, who was probably my biggest miss in terms of confidence.

But there are only 2 that I've ever had 1 million confidence that they would be true studs and be star players and T-Mac is the 2nd of those, the first was Rob Gronkowski.  T-Mac is the only player in either sport since Gronk that gave me the same feeling when watching him, that I'm watching a future top end player in the NFL at his position.  

And I'd say I was right on the first one, kinda the TE GOAT.

So for me it's not if he pans out, it's just if he stays healthy, because on-field wise, he's panning out.

Edited August 12 by tukafan21

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Sure, totally get it, I also just have an absurdly high level of confidence in T-Mac, lol.

I've said it before, there have been a lot of Arizona football and basketball players that I thought were going to be great pros, all star/pro type of guys.  And there have been plenty of them who just did not pan out in the end, in both sports, some drafted very high, like Derrick Williams #2 overall in the NBA draft, who was probably my biggest miss in terms of confidence.

But there are only 2 that I've ever had 1 million confidence that they would be true studs and be star players and T-Mac is the 2nd of those, the first was Rob Gronkowski.  T-Mac is the only player in either sport since Gronk that gave me the same feeling when watching him, that I'm watching a future top end player in the NFL at his position.  

And I'd say I was right on the first one, kinda the TE GOAT.

So for me it's not if he pans out, it's just if he stays healthy, because on-field wise, he's panning out.

Yeah, I think we all hope you are correct. We can't really afford for you not to be.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I think we all hope you are correct. We can't really afford for you not to be.

I have PAC12 WR trauma as a Panther fan when we go there in the top 2 rounds. 

 

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I think we all hope you are correct. We can't really afford for you not to be.

Neither can I, lol

A. I'll never be able to show my face around these parts again, haha

and B and more importantly...  I'll be devastated if he ends up a bust for us.  

It sucked enough for me when Antoine Cason didn't work out for us, as he was an All American and Thorpe award winner at Arizona when I was there as we were both Freshman the same year, so I loved him.  

I couldn't imagine if my Arizona GOAT, who I'm so confident in becoming a star, didn't work out after we drafted him.

But.... it's okay, because that's just not going to happen, my guy is a beast and is going to challenge Smitty for Panthers GOAT WR, LFG!!!!!!!!!

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I have PAC12 WR trauma as a Panther fan when we go there in the top 2 rounds. 

 

Well it's a good thing his final year was in the Big 12 then I guess

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Neither can I, lol

A. I'll never be able to show my face around these parts again, haha

and B and more importantly...  I'll be devastated if he ends up a bust for us.  

It sucked enough for me when Antoine Cason didn't work out for us, as he was an All American and Thorpe award winner at Arizona when I was there as we were both Freshman the same year, so I loved him.  

I couldn't imagine if my Arizona GOAT, who I'm so confident in becoming a star, didn't work out after we drafted him.

But.... it's okay, because that's just not going to happen, my guy is a beast and is going to challenge Smitty for Panthers GOAT WR, LFG!!!!!!!!!

I mean if you have been here for any length of time you have had more than one lightspeed bad take recorded in the annals of Huddle history. 

I infamously said that Cam Newton would be, "The worst decision in franchise history." This was largely buoyed on my blind hatred of that Auburn team. 

I also said that D. Brown was a bust in the offseason leading up to his 100+ tackle year. Another whiff.

Now I have had plenty of spot on takes, as well. I can say that for draft evaluations, I am definitely more successful in the past few years than our franchise, which is a sad state of affairs.

Edited August 12 by kungfoodude

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Well it's a good thing his final year was in the Big 12 then I guess

I haven't even tried to keep up w/ all those changes.  I get all the teams mixed up conference wise now.  Maybe that will be a good things then.  Because the PAC12 did us dirty in the top 2 rounds.  And sometimes they even gave us some fools gold before pulling that rug.  Especially Colbert and Carruth. 

and I was high as Jarrett coming in.  That is the pick I got the most wrong of all the wrong ones. 

[jtm]

They are keeping 6 and the 6th spot will be Renfrew or Moore.  Renfrew needs to stay healthy.  

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, CRA said:

I haven't even tried to keep up w/ all those changes.  I get all the teams mixed up conference wise now.  Maybe that will be a good things then.  Because the PAC12 did us dirty in the top 2 rounds.  And sometimes they even gave us some fools gold before pulling that rug.  Especially Colbert and Carruth. 

and I was high as Jarrett coming in.  That is the pick I got the most wrong of all the wrong ones. 

The last round of conference expansions effectively killed my interest in college sports outside of evaluating players for the pros. The TV contracts have destroyed anything watchable about them. 

[CRA]

Fun fact Puca Nucua had basically an identical drop % his rookie year as XL.  Rookies drop passes.  And you can look at XLs entire draft class for confirmation that it is normal. 

The biggest issue for XL....we don't throw the ball in a manner to max his usefulness and potential given we have BY as a QB.  We drafted him to do X.  We don't do X.   When we drafted him, it was basically universally agreed he was to be a DK Metcalf/Mike Evans to chunk it downfield to that fix Canales' deep chunk ball O (which is his tree).  

 Which again brings me back to Carolina's biggest problem in Tepper.  The random parts theory.  We consistently put things together that contradict.   I think they tried to solve that in quick fashion last year.   Bryce is really the puzzle piece that didn't fit.  They moved on.  Quick.  He was done.  Then BY sort of screwed the entire plan up.  Now I think we are back to man's land.  We got a head coach that at his core does X.  He spent his first draft pick to do X.  Then BY muddied up the works.  So they went right back to the draft and got a BY WR in Tmac. 

[Navy_football]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Fun fact Puca Nucua had basically an identical drop % his rookie year as XL.  Rookies drop passes.  And you can look at XLs entire draft class for confirmation that it is normal. 

The biggest issue for XL....we don't throw the ball in a manner to max his usefulness and potential given we have BY as a QB.  We drafted him to do X.  We don't do X.   When we drafted him, it was basically universally agreed he was to be a DK Metcalf/Mike Evans to chunk it downfield to that fix Canales' deep chunk ball O (which is his tree).  

 Which again brings me back to Carolina's biggest problem in Tepper.  The random parts theory.  We consistently put things together that contradict.   I think they tried to solve that in quick fashion last year.   Bryce is really the puzzle piece that didn't fit.  They moved on.  Quick.  He was done.  Then BY sort of screwed the entire plan up.  Now I think we are back to man's land.  We got a head coach that at his core does X.  He spent his first draft pick to do X.  Then BY muddied up the works.  So they went right back to the draft and got a BY WR in Tmac. 

Agree with alot here. But I think they can use XL differently than he's being used now. Canales is smart. He isn't the type to keep banging his head into that brick wall. Your head will give way long before that wall. He'll figure out howXL fits into this offense. Even if he has to create plays just for him. I feel like that's what Shanahan did with Deebo, who I think is a better comp than Evans or DK. 

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

Fun fact Puca Nucua had basically an identical drop % his rookie year as XL.  Rookies drop passes.  And you can look at XLs entire draft class for confirmation that it is normal. 

The biggest issue for XL....we don't throw the ball in a manner to max his usefulness and potential given we have BY as a QB.  We drafted him to do X.  We don't do X.   When we drafted him, it was basically universally agreed he was to be a DK Metcalf/Mike Evans to chunk it downfield to that fix Canales' deep chunk ball O (which is his tree).  

 Which again brings me back to Carolina's biggest problem in Tepper.  The random parts theory.  We consistently put things together that contradict.   I think they tried to solve that in quick fashion last year.   Bryce is really the puzzle piece that didn't fit.  They moved on.  Quick.  He was done.  Then BY sort of screwed the entire plan up.  Now I think we are back to man's land.  We got a head coach that at his core does X.  He spent his first draft pick to do X.  Then BY muddied up the works.  So they went right back to the draft and got a BY WR in Tmac. 

The issues with XL go way beyond just drops. He is lacking in almost every area. That's ultimately the problem. It's not one thing to clean up, it's several.

Hence why he needs to be working triple time on all of it.

This season will show if that is happening. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Agree with alot here. But I think they can use XL differently than he's being used now. Canales is smart. He isn't the type to keep banging his head into that brick wall. Your head will give way long before that wall. He'll figure out howXL fits into this offense. Even if he has to create plays just for him. I feel like that's what Shanahan did with Deebo, who I think is a better comp than Evans or DK. 

I agree with this. I think he needs to be utilized far more as a gadget player than a true #1 WR. He isn't there yet and he isn't able to perform that function. Simplify it for him, get the ball in his hands and see if he can make some plays.