Observer Projections / *Updated Panthers Waiver Additions

[PleaseCutStewart]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not sure if Tepper even considered that to be honest. I think when Rhule flopped hard as a guy with no NFL experience Tepper history instinctively went with the exact opposite approach with Frank and crew and went with guys with tons of NFL experience and since he knew he wanted a QB in the draft he went with a guy who was a former QB and had a reputation of being a good QB coach. I honestly don't know if there was anymore in-depth analysis on the fit than that.

I think it's a combination of that and other potential HC candidates wanted nothing to do with Tepper because of how much he wanted to be in control of all aspects of the football team.

[panthers55]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't like round pegs and square holes.  I can be find with either.  You just have to pick one.  It's been that simple from the start.  Carolina remains in the round peg/square hole phase of life. 

again, you are fixated like most Bryce supporters on how passes are graded.  Again, Teddy Bridgewater can grade well on the deep passes overall he happens to make.   If he grades well on those select passes.....that doesn't somehow magically mean he isn't checking down out there is isn't pulling trigger when he needs to.  The well graded deep pass doesn't make Teddy a gunslinging chunk passer playing the way a scheme would need him to. They remain two different things.

his deep ball at Bama wasn't good.  That's not my soapbox but you can find threads on that too where that he been discussed in detail.  He just could just make off target throws to wide open dudes.  

 

 

Not true at all. This is Bryce's offense designed for him to succeed. Last year was Canale's first year and it has taken time for him to understand his personnel and develop a scheme which maximizes the personnel he has. And it took time for Young to learn Canale's philosophy and scheme. So no they are on the same page and working in concert. That is why he improved each game the second half of the season.

As for his deep ball at Alabama he didn't throw many as the scheme was designed for short and intermediate passes and he didn't have the great receivers Mac Jones had for example. After arguing in other posts that context and scheme matter I guess it didn't apply to Young.

[panthers55]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

True. But how many "great" coaches are there? Most are just good. If you give them the right players to fit their system they can produce good results but if you don't they're cooked. There's not many guys out there who truly have the ability to coach to the talent they're given and the Panthers have definitely never had any.

Until now I agree. I really think Canales is the real deal in the Pete Carroll style of coaching. I don't know if he is an offensive genius like Andy Reid but a huge factor is getting players to buy into your philosophy and leave it all on the field. Players love Canales from what I have read and it seems his staff are good teachers. The jury is still out but this is the most positive I have felt in years. Then again I was hugely fooled by Reich and really thought he be much better than he was.

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Not true at all. This is Bryce's offense designed for him to succeed. Last year was Canale's first year and it has taken time for him to understand his personnel and develop a scheme which maximizes the personnel he has. And it took time for Young to learn Canale's philosophy and scheme. So no they are on the same page and working in concert. That is why he improved each game the second half of the season.

As for his deep ball at Alabama he didn't throw many as the scheme was designed for short and intermediate passes and he didn't have the great receivers Mac Jones had for example. After arguing in other posts that context and scheme matter I guess it didn't apply to Young.

I mean, no was arguing BY fits the offensive passing tree Canales is in….. when we drafted BY.  

You are doing it now just because that’s the round peg/square hole reality that exists and you essentially always argue this time do the year the Panthers plan is strong 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Until now I agree. I really think Canales is the real deal in the Pete Carroll style of coaching. I don't know if he is an offensive genius like Andy Reid but a huge factor is getting players to buy into your philosophy and leave it all on the field. Players love Canales from what I have read and it seems his staff are good teachers. The jury is still out but this is the most positive I have felt in years. Then again I was hugely fooled by Reich and really thought he be much better than he was.

I certainly hope so. That sure would be nice.

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, no was arguing BY fits the offensive passing tree Canales is in….. when we drafted BY.  

You are doing it now just because that’s the round peg/square hole reality that exists and you essentially always argue this time do the year the Panthers plan is strong 

That is irrelevant since Canales has adapted his style to Bryce. Here is an article which explains it. Again try to keep up and live in the present.

https://www.readoptional.com/p/was-bryce-youngs-leap-for-real

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I certainly hope so. That sure would be nice.

We are surely overdue. And we better really improve if we are going to appear in the superbowl every 12 years. I think that is 2027.

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That is irrelevant since Canales has adapted his style to Bryce. Here is an article which explains it. Again try to keep up and live in the present.

https://www.readoptional.com/p/was-bryce-youngs-leap-for-real

yeah, what people are isn't irrelevant.    Even your link acknowledges the square peg/round hole situation. 

the entire argument boils down to...but the round hole is trying to make the square peg work.  And yeah, it can lead to some improvement when you try to make things that don't fit....sorta fit.  But generally they never actually fit because one is naturally a square peg and one is a round hole.  So it's making the best of a situation that really isn't supposed to be paired up.  

I'm in the present.  But I have looked back at the scorecard for your annual preseason lectures though.....and it ain't a great record for you

but it's all love.  We will always have that magical season where we united on Luke Kuechly before the rest of the board did. 

[Tr3ach]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

To put it in perspective, this is a deep ball thrower. Notice how the efficiency basically has minimal drop off regardless of range.

This is Bryce Young

The other QB is Joe Burrow.

Perfect example.  Now compare the receivers.  Here's a secret for you.  Deep balls and how good they are is actually at minimum 50% on the receiver.  Their separation, their adjustment to the ball thrown, their catch rate, etc.  The Bengals receivers greatly help those numbers.  The Panthers receivers have historically very much so hurt those numbers.  Deep balls are the most overrated thing to judge a qb on that there is.

Edited 5 hours ago by Tr3ach

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

Perfect example.  Now compare the receivers.  Here's a secret for you.  Deep balls and how good they are is actually at minimum 50% on the receiver.  Their separation, their adjustment to the ball thrown, their catch rate, etc.  The Bengals receivers greatly help those numbers.  The Panthers receivers have historically very much so hurt those numbers.

Yeah, when I watch Burrow play and then watch Bryce play I see no difference whatsoever. Switch their places and I expect we'd see minimal difference in the Panthers and Bengals offenses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Said no rational person ever. LOL 

[Tr3ach]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, when I watch Burrow play and then watch Bryce play I see no difference whatsoever. Switch their places and I expect we'd see minimal difference in the Panthers and Bengals offenses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Said no rational person ever. LOL 

I wasn't comparing them, you were.  Nor was I comparing their overall game in any way.  I was comparing the single thing you pulled up as your argument. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

I wasn't comparing them, you were.  Nor was I comparing their overall game in any way.  I was comparing the single thing you pulled up as your argument. 

Yeah, now go watch them throw those balls. There's a BIG difference.

[panthers55]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

yeah, what people are isn't irrelevant.    Even your link acknowledges the square peg/round hole situation. 

the entire argument boils down to...but the round hole is trying to make the square peg work.  And yeah, it can lead to some improvement when you try to make things that don't fit....sorta fit.  But generally they never actually fit because one is naturally a square peg and one is a round hole.  So it's making the best of a situation that really isn't supposed to be paired up.  

I'm in the present.  But I have looked back at the scorecard for your annual preseason lectures though.....and it ain't a great record for you

but it's all love.  We will always have that magical season where we united on Luke Kuechly before the rest of the board did. 

You make little sense trying to argue a point which isn't germaine.  If it was a round hole versus square peg that has changed. It no longer applies. So no you aren't in the present or you would acknowledge the change to where they are on the same page. As for the luke Kueckly  agreement you finally hit one. Meanwhile not only did I tout Kueckly but others like Cam, CMC, among others when many on this board were critics.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Great coaches adapt their scheme to the personnel they have instead of trying to force players into a scheme that doesn't evolve.

But Frank had the option to choose his personnel. He wouldn't have to adapt his scheme for Stroud nearly as much as Young. It makes no sense to draft a player then have to redesign everything you do when your boss  isn't known for patience in delivering results. Plus his demeanor changed after the draft. He lost interest. Frank wasn't my choice for HC, Ryans was. It's all really irrelevant at this point, Bryce is our QB and if hope he's successful.