Hendon Hooker signed to practice squad

[kungfoodude]

On 8/28/2025 at 11:50 PM, Davidson Deac II said:

Well, as far as backups go, Kyle Allen is actually a decent one.  Better at this point than Dalton probably.

That being said, Hooker apparently had an atrocious game against the Texans.  

I was there. He sucked the way he has sucked for almost his entire NFL preseason career.

Also, Kyle Allen isn't a decent backup. That's Panthers fan fiction.

Only our fanbase thinks this type of ignorant poo about Kyle Allen.

[Davidson Deac II]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I was there. He sucked the way he has sucked for almost his entire NFL preseason career.

Also, Kyle Allen isn't a decent backup. That's Panthers fan fiction.

Only our fanbase thinks this type of ignorant poo about Kyle Allen.

I am not even talking about his time with the Panthers. He did ok in his time as a backup with Washington.  I think you vastly overestimate how good other backup's are in the NFL.  

Edited 13 hours ago by Davidson Deac II

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

Bullcrap

I am not even talking about his time with the Panthers. He did ok in his time as a backup with Washington.  I think you vastly overestimate how good other backup's are in the NFL.  

Who was the other Panthers guy that started a playoff game for the Commanders? I'm blanking on his name.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who was the other Panthers guy that started a playoff game for the Commanders? I'm blanking on his name.

Taylor Heinickie.  Think I got the spelling right.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Taylor Heinickie.  Think I got the spelling right.

Thanks. 

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I am not even talking about his time with the Panthers. He did ok in his time as a backup with Washington.  I think you vastly overestimate how good other backup's are in the NFL.  

I think you VASTLY overestimate how good Kyle Allen is.

[frankw]

29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think you VASTLY overestimate how good Kyle Allen is.

The hubris when discussing backup QB's here is both interesting and amusing. I guess that's the state of our franchise now eh?

But if I could only choose between 3 choices to be the Panthers QB2 (Allen Heinicke or Dalton). Andy Dalton would be the last option every single time.

Edited 3 hours ago by frankw

[MHS831]

In my view, and this is not based on any evidence beyond memory, the best backups are those who were drafted, thrown into the fire too early, then discarded as a bust.  Some really improve once they have been given a chance to lick their wounds, watch, and work with the QB room for a year or two.  I think there is something to the Parcells (I think) formula:  "Bill Parcells had a seven-point "formula" or checklist for drafting a quarterback: be a three-year starter, a college senior, a graduate, have a minimum of 30 starts and 23 wins, maintain a 2:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio, and achieve at least a 60% completion percentage."  Having said that, Parcells' comment was long before the new college offenses and portal jumping, but the basic formula frames what it takes. 

So players like Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, Zach Wilson, Jameis Winston (to a degree), are TYPES that defend my position.  Richardson has not hit rock bottom and rebounded yet, and I am not sure Wilson will ever amount to anything beyond his 2020 BYU season, but this kind of player knows what it is like to be the "the guy" and they know the weaknesses in their game that other teams exploited.  Of course there are exceptions etc., but this is simply my preference.  Derek Anderson is a good example. In college, he completed 50% of his passes and threw 57 interceptions vs. 79 TDs.  As a backup, he was not bad.  I think Dalton is a decent backup, fwiw.  Anderson actually won 20 games as a pro (vs. 29 losses) and when he started for the Panthers, he was 2-2 (2014 and 2016) and completed 67.5% of his passes.  

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

The hubris when discussing backup QB's here is both interesting and amusing. I guess that's the state of our franchise now eh?

But if I could only choose between 3 choices to be the Panthers QB2 (Allen Heinicke or Dalton). Andy Dalton would be the last option every single time.

I disagree if the discussion is this season. Certainly moving towards the next couple of years, Dalton will decline further and perhaps they will eventually pass him.

Allen/Heinicke would be pretty far down the top 32 backup QB list. Heinicke would most likely be outside the top 32, TBH.

I certainly hope we don't live to see any actual Hendon Hooker starts. I don't really want to have to be doing the "I fuging told you guys he sucked" thing while actually having to watch him suck and lose games. That's possibly when I am going to opt to watch some other NFL games.

 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

In my view, and this is not based on any evidence beyond memory, the best backups are those who were drafted, thrown into the fire too early, then discarded as a bust.  Some really improve once they have been given a chance to lick their wounds, watch, and work with the QB room for a year or two.  I think there is something to the Parcells (I think) formula:  "Bill Parcells had a seven-point "formula" or checklist for drafting a quarterback: be a three-year starter, a college senior, a graduate, have a minimum of 30 starts and 23 wins, maintain a 2:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio, and achieve at least a 60% completion percentage."  Having said that, Parcells' comment was long before the new college offenses and portal jumping, but the basic formula frames what it takes. 

So players like Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, Zach Wilson, Jameis Winston (to a degree), are TYPES that defend my position.  Richardson has not hit rock bottom and rebounded yet, and I am not sure Wilson will ever amount to anything beyond his 2020 BYU season, but this kind of player knows what it is like to be the "the guy" and they know the weaknesses in their game that other teams exploited.  Of course there are exceptions etc., but this is simply my preference.  Derek Anderson is a good example. In college, he completed 50% of his passes and threw 57 interceptions vs. 79 TDs.  As a backup, he was not bad.  I think Dalton is a decent backup, fwiw.  Anderson actually won 20 games as a pro (vs. 29 losses) and when he started for the Panthers, he was 2-2 (2014 and 2016) and completed 67.5% of his passes.  

I am not sure that would necessarily hold up to a large data sample and some in depth analysis. It's certainly an interesting theory. 

IMO(anecdotally), the better backups are usually older backups that were above average NFL starters for long periods of time. That and just guys that are always fringe bottom third starter, top third backups.

Flacco, Dalton are current examples of the former. I think guys like Tyrod Taylor and Jacoby Brissett are good examples of the latter. 

The issue with Lance/Richardson/Wilson is that they were ultimately big busts. So you have to bank on them being the type of player that can handle that, battle back and make a decent NFL career. I am not sure I would say that is the majority of those type of players.

Winston is just a different thing. He is an old school gunslinger that is pretty inflexible when it comes to playing style. If you don't have an old school offense tailored to a Brett Favre type gunslinger AND have a defense elite enough to win when he is turning the ball over like gangbusters.....it's tough for him to consistently win games. It will be damn fun to watch but the W's are gonna be rare.