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19 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

That's the thing with Josh Allen, it took a while for Buffalo to fix him and his throwing motion. If he's not coachable, he's a bust and out of the NFL in 3 years. 

He’s the best QB in the NFL right now. I’ve been saying that going back to the end of 2023. He has done more with less. Give him what the Ravens have and I think he’s got multiple Super Bowls at this point. I know Ravens fans and other people thought Lamar deserved the MVP last year but Allen, and really their last two match-ups, showed why Allen won it. 
 

I don’t know if the Bills have the team to win a Super Bowl but they are good, and that’s because of Allen. 
 

Watching them makes me realize the Panthers will never compete so long as Young is the starter. He just doesn’t have “it”. Maybe it’s a bit unrealistic to compare but Allen’s arm strength is pretty demoralizing. 

He threw for 251 yards, in the 4th quarter. Bryce has thrown for 251 yards once or twice? 

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44 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

That's the thing with Josh Allen, it took a while for Buffalo to fix him and his throwing motion. If he's not coachable, he's a bust and out of the NFL in 3 years. 

I think its a bit reductive to say its about coachability.  A new class of freaks enters the NFL every year and we do not have 1 Josh Allen per year to show from it.  Far from it really.

The reality is that Josh Allen is 1 of 1, and bad teams will continue to spend countless resources flailing at high ceiling project QBs in the first round.

Saying its about coachability makes it sound like the QB development problem is solved.  When the reality is, if you could reproduce Josh Allen, then Josh Allen would have no value.  But the opposite is true.  He's probably the MVP.

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2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think its a bit reductive to say its about coachability.  A new class of freaks enters the NFL every year and we do not have 1 Josh Allen per year to show from it.  Far from it really.

The reality is that Josh Allen is 1 of 1, and bad teams will continue to spend countless resources flailing at high ceiling project QBs in the first round.

Saying its about coachability makes it sound like the QB development problem is solved.  When the reality is, if you could reproduce Josh Allen, then Josh Allen would have no value.  But the opposite is true.  He's probably the MVP.

Anthony Richardson is the closest thing to Josh Allen as you could get, if he could get the right staff. He played 12 games in college, he should have sat for three years before ever starting in the NFL, period. I’d be fine trading for him if it was for a late round pick. Sign a bridge QB, let him stew, hiring some offensive people from the Bills who knows how Josh’s development took place. 
 

that said, Josh is one of one period. He’s a good human being, great teammate, great leader, intelligent, big, fast, physical, and he can throw a ball 65 yards on a rope. It really is crazy considering how he looked coming out of Wyoming. 
 

The crazy thing is that most every player you see in the NFL, the Panthers have had the ability to draft at one time or another. No one to blame for sucking other than Tepper, in my opinion. This has been the worst stretch in franchise history and it began with him. 

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3 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Anthony Richardson is the closest thing to Josh Allen as you could get

We are going to see increasingly more Anthony Richardsons.  Teams will reach on guys with physical tools but they don't seem to have the first clue about how to develop them as QBs.  Or what their weaknesses are as players that prevent them from being great NFL QBs.  Its just a lottery.  Get out there and get killed so we can draft the next guy.  

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3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We are going to see increasingly more Anthony Richardsons.  Teams will reach on guys with physical tools but they don't seem to have the first clue about how to develop them as QBs.  Or what their weaknesses are as players that prevent them from being great NFL QBs.  Its just a lottery.  Get out there and get killed so we can draft the next guy.  

I think Richardson could succeed but the Colts tried the Allen method without realizing that Richardson was even less advanced than Allen was coming out. They should have gone the Green Bay method. If they did, he may be ready to play by now. 
 

it all comes down to player development. I don’t know that he will ever truly develop but if he doesn’t, he would make a great tight end. 

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4 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We are going to see increasingly more Anthony Richardsons.  Teams will reach on guys with physical tools but they don't seem to have the first clue about how to develop them as QBs.  Or what their weaknesses are as players that prevent them from being great NFL QBs.  Its just a lottery.  Get out there and get killed so we can draft the next guy.  

I liked Richardson in the draft and still do, but he's got to sit and be on a team willing to work with him and rebuild his throwing motion from the ground up. He was always a project, just like Josh Allen was a project player. 

 

The bills suffered through him being awful throwing the ball and set up their system to protect him as best as possible while they rebuilt his throwing motion in pieces. 

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4 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

He’s the best QB in the NFL right now. I’ve been saying that going back to the end of 2023. He has done more with less. Give him what the Ravens have and I think he’s got multiple Super Bowls at this point. I know Ravens fans and other people thought Lamar deserved the MVP last year but Allen, and really their last two match-ups, showed why Allen won it. 
 

I don’t know if the Bills have the team to win a Super Bowl but they are good, and that’s because of Allen. 
 

Watching them makes me realize the Panthers will never compete so long as Young is the starter. He just doesn’t have “it”. Maybe it’s a bit unrealistic to compare but Allen’s arm strength is pretty demoralizing. 

He threw for 251 yards, in the 4th quarter. Bryce has thrown for 251 yards once or twice? 

He's thrown over 250 yards 3 times out of 29 games started and 31 games played. 

 

His averages are as follows. 

175 passing yards per game

.87 passing touchdowns per game

.67 int per game

17 rushing yards per game

.19 rushing touchdowns per game. 

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4 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

The crazy thing is that most every player you see in the NFL, the Panthers have had the ability to draft at one time or another. No one to blame for sucking other than Tepper, in my opinion. This has been the worst stretch in franchise history and it began with him. 

Hell one was literally on our team for a season. QBs come here and die. It’s who we are. 

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6 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think its a bit reductive to say its about coachability.  A new class of freaks enters the NFL every year and we do not have 1 Josh Allen per year to show from it.  Far from it really.

The reality is that Josh Allen is 1 of 1, and bad teams will continue to spend countless resources flailing at high ceiling project QBs in the first round.

Saying its about coachability makes it sound like the QB development problem is solved.  When the reality is, if you could reproduce Josh Allen, then Josh Allen would have no value.  But the opposite is true.  He's probably the MVP.

With Josh it was about coachability, if he wasn't coachable he wouldn't be in the league right now or he'd be a backup somewhere at best. His throwing mechanics coming out of Wyoming were... Awful to say it nicely. 

 

The Bills completely revamped his throwing mechanics from the feet up over a few seasons after he was drafted. (Go look at his throwing motion from draft workouts, year 1, year 2, year 3, and then look at year 4+. 

His feet placement is different, his hip rotation is different, and his arm motion is different. He was literally revamped as a QB. Yes he had the physical traits but so do a ton of other QB's that are drafted with horrible throwing mechanics. 

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1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

As for who fixed his mechanics...

 

Well that would be Ken Dorsey...

Who also worked with Cam Newton from 2013-2017. 

Cam was notoriously set in his ways, too. I would be surprised if he put in 10% of the work to improve his mechanics and ownership of the game. Josh manages to get to the line with 20 seconds on the play clock. Josh knows how to set-up the defense. Josh can throw on a rope 65 yards downfield in year 8. 

There really is no comparison to be made between Cam and Josh anymore. It's sad to me but it's true. Josh is what Cam could have been had he put in the same amount of work, which I'm fairly confident he didn't. 

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