The Panthers’ Bryce Young Problem is Getting Old

[Jon Snow]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

I think the tepper part means he is trolling

It's got to be. 

[toldozer]

Ok if he sucks again this week would you trade for sanders. Id give that 4th we got for AT just to see. If he sucks like he probably would then you draft another one

[Diehardpanth02]

4 hours ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

Fwiw we now theoretically have a situation where we can just drop a qb that doesn't suck and they can succeed.  

We have a good o line

We have a good run game with chuba

We might have an alpha wr with t Mac. 

We have some questions with upside in jt, Coker, horn and for now renfrow.

We just need a qb who isn't absolute cheeks

That’s the crazy part too. Because we just need Bryce to not be absolute cheeks. And we can’t even get that.

 

its frustrating.

[Loyalty4Life]

What? Am I mistaken that his rookie year included a horrible coaching staff and support players.  

It's wasn't just Bryce.  I won't judge any player from that yeah.  It's impossible to make an accurate assessment on any player under those conditions.

It's that simple.

You break down each play and look at each player, what the expectation was, what happened during the play and what circumstances affected every player and position.

There a reason why the narrative was he could be the biggest NFL bust in history.  Then after his benching he started to show remarkable improvement.

Thus all the talk from fans and media about how dramatic of a turnaround it was and that Carolina no longer had a QB problem.

First game this year the whole team stunk it up.  Why?  Plenty of blame to go around including Bryce.

Improvements do not come it a nice straight line angling up. 

I think Sunday was a step back for the whole team.  Still plenty of time to see if it was a bad outing to grow from or another indicator of issues that can't be overcome.

[HeelsPanthersCanes]

8 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

The Panthers were the darlings to win the NFC South by many.

 

Such a good write up, ruined by this nonsense nugget. 

[Loyalty4Life]

17 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's got to be. 

Nope.  

I like Tepper because he really does want to win.  Badly.
I like that he's rich and is more than willing to spend money to improve the team.  
I like that he didn't fire anyone when he first bought the team because he wanted to sit back and learn.
I like how much he's invested and uses analytics.

I like the Morgan hire.
I like the Tillis hire. 
I like the Canales hire in which he used a private firm (for the first time) for the selection and vetting process in hiring him.

I think that he gives his coaches all the rope they want but if they hang themselves he's not waiting around to watch.

Tepper and Jed York, owner of the 49ers, are great comparisons.  Both struggled greatly until they found the right coach/GM combo to lead the team.

I hate that he was so front and center giving fans and media way too much access and photo ops.  That was a huge PR mistake, not really a x's and o's error.

I hate with so much passion that he hired Matt Rhule and gave him a huge 7 year contract and complete control of the team.

I hate that he ok'd overpaying for Teddy 2 Gloves. 
I hate that he ok'd the trade for Sam Darnold.
I hate that he hired Frank . 
I hate that paying for the best coaching staff that money could buy didn't amount to anything.
I hate that he relented and ok'd Baker Mayfield who Rhule made look like complete trash in less than one game only to have Baker go to the Bucs and look great.
I hate that he took so much advice from Ernie Accorsi, which, fun fact is where all the Bryce point guard stuff came from.

I don't think he forced us to take Bryce but if he did I don't care as Bryce was the top rated QB in that draft by the vast majority of fans, media and other teams.  Bryce was the top QB on the Texans draft card.  I love Stroud and had him just ahead of Bryce as 1A and 1B.  There were pro and cons for both and no really knew if either one would be successful but everyone agreed both were top prospects.  Since they were both so close in potential it's more luck which one we ended up with.  Bryce could just as easily been a Texan therefore it only matters in hindsight which one was the "right" choice and despite how great a rookie year Shroud had the jury is still out on both.

 

[Loyalty4Life]

53 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Godalmighty dude, he literally cannot see the field, we call out in game threads and the damn announcers were commenting on it Sunday.  And not seeing the field makes his mechanics go to poo and he keeps doing that stupid jump pass.  I get you are still a bryce dude but good God man take the blinders off.

 

And saying this is his 2nd season is LOL funny

Fine.  It's his 3rd season which makes his progress and mental fortitude even more impressive after overcoming one of the worst situations to be in starting your NFL career.

If the hard takes on Bryce were not filled with so much hyperbole, assumptions and outright lies it wouldn't annoy me so much.

Bryce can't throw downfield.
He threw it fine downfield to Legette on that deep shot he dropped last year.
He threw it fine downfield to T-Mac sunday who proceeded to drop the pass.

Bryce is too small.
Boy takes a beating before we invested in the offensive line and so far he'd held up physically with no issues.

Bryce is too short.
The majority of his throws are over the middle which would be the most difficult routes for a shorter QB to see.  He doesn't get balls batted down more than any taller QB's.

Bryce is too slow.
Last year he ran for 6 TD's and 249 yards.  That ability is a real weapon.

Most of the takes around here are of the "Omergaud, he suks" variety with little actual insight. 

If a guy is able to play and win multiple NFL games he has to have some talent and ability and if a person continues to say there is no redeeming qualities and you can't tell me what he is good at as well as what he's bad at, then you're not being honest, realistic or genuine.  You're being a fool.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Fine.  It's his 3rd season which makes his progress and mental fortitude even more impressive after overcoming one of the worst situations to be in starting your NFL career.

If the hard takes on Bryce were not filled with so much hyperbole, assumptions and outright lies it wouldn't annoy me so much.

Bryce can't throw downfield.
He threw it fine downfield to Legette on that deep shot he dropped last year.
He threw it fine downfield to T-Mac sunday who proceeded to drop the pass.

Bryce is too small.
Boy takes a beating before we invested in the offensive line and so far he'd held up physically with no issues.

Bryce is too short.
The majority of his throws are over the middle which would be the most difficult routes for a shorter QB to see.  He doesn't get balls batted down more than any taller QB's.

Bryce is too slow.
Last year he ran for 6 TD's and 249 yards.  That ability is a real weapon.

Most of the takes around here are of the "Omergaud, he suks" variety with little actual insight. 

If a guy is able to play and win multiple NFL games he has to have some talent and ability and if a person continues to say there is no redeeming qualities and you can't tell me what he is good at as well as what he's bad at, then you're not being honest, realistic or genuine.  You're being a fool.

God bless you buddy, you are dead balls accurate and everyone on here and the announcers and his head coach and previous head coach all say different but you got this down pat.

[carpanfan96]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

I mean the guy is the face of the franchise he could at least make an attempt to set an example for the other guys.

And our previous GM did directly address this and stated they would get Bryce on a nutrition program and get him in the gym.

Yes they did and he's on it, my point is that his frame doesn't allow for a lot of weight to be put on in a good way. 

 

He's a 185-190lb max guy and that's that. 

[frankw]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

Yes they did and he's on it, my point is that his frame doesn't allow for a lot of weight to be put on in a good way. 

 

He's a 185-190lb max guy and that's that. 

Wild. That's a guy you take a flier on in the mid to late rounds. Not someone you trade up to draft first overall to carry your franchise.

[carpanfan96]

6 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Fine.  It's his 3rd season which makes his progress and mental fortitude even more impressive after overcoming one of the worst situations to be in starting your NFL career.

If the hard takes on Bryce were not filled with so much hyperbole, assumptions and outright lies it wouldn't annoy me so much.

Bryce can't throw downfield.
He threw it fine downfield to Legette on that deep shot he dropped last year.
He threw it fine downfield to T-Mac sunday who proceeded to drop the pass.

Bryce is too small.
Boy takes a beating before we invested in the offensive line and so far he'd held up physically with no issues.

Bryce is too short.
The majority of his throws are over the middle which would be the most difficult routes for a shorter QB to see.  He doesn't get balls batted down more than any taller QB's.

Bryce is too slow.
Last year he ran for 6 TD's and 249 yards.  That ability is a real weapon.

Most of the takes around here are of the "Omergaud, he suks" variety with little actual insight. 

If a guy is able to play and win multiple NFL games he has to have some talent and ability and if a person continues to say there is no redeeming qualities and you can't tell me what he is good at as well as what he's bad at, then you're not being honest, realistic or genuine.  You're being a fool.

 

He's got happy feet, he reads the line poorly, he has trouble reading defenses. He has issues staying on schedule as well. His arm is adequate, he's actually fairly good athleticly as far as speed and such is concerned. 

Let me go find it, from during the 2023 pre draft. I said these same things about him then. 

Edited 5 hours ago by carpanfan96

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Wild. That's a guy you take a flier on in the mid to late rounds. Not someone you trade up to draft first overall to carry your franchise.

What's wild is that when he plays and works out regularly, he drops to 175-180. Which is what he played at during part of his last season at Alabama. 

[Coheed]

6 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Fine.  It's his 3rd season which makes his progress and mental fortitude even more impressive after overcoming one of the worst situations to be in starting your NFL career.

If the hard takes on Bryce were not filled with so much hyperbole, assumptions and outright lies it wouldn't annoy me so much.

Bryce can't throw downfield.
He threw it fine downfield to Legette on that deep shot he dropped last year.
He threw it fine downfield to T-Mac sunday who proceeded to drop the pass.

Bryce is too small.
Boy takes a beating before we invested in the offensive line and so far he'd held up physically with no issues.

Bryce is too short.
The majority of his throws are over the middle which would be the most difficult routes for a shorter QB to see.  He doesn't get balls batted down more than any taller QB's.

Bryce is too slow.
Last year he ran for 6 TD's and 249 yards.  That ability is a real weapon.

Most of the takes around here are of the "Omergaud, he suks" variety with little actual insight. 

If a guy is able to play and win multiple NFL games he has to have some talent and ability and if a person continues to say there is no redeeming qualities and you can't tell me what he is good at as well as what he's bad at, then you're not being honest, realistic or genuine.  You're being a fool.

IMO the problem with Bryce is less to do with any of what you’re saying and more to do with him just not having the mental fortitude and killer mentality needed to succeed. 
 

when the bullets are live and poo actually matters, he’s only ever crumbled.

 

would love to be wrong. 

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

What's wild is that when he plays and works out regularly, he drops to 175-180. Which is what he played at during part of his last season at Alabama.