Injury report

[Jay Roosevelt]

22 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Hunt and Lewis on the report two weeks in a row to start the season. You can guarantee they will miss time at some point

They'll both be on I.R. by week 7.

[Icege]

24 minutes ago, CRA said:

You all over the map.   First you scoff at seam routes being hospital balls…despite the fact those are always routes QB have to be worried about throwing their WR into a hit. 

now you are countering with the “you act like Renfrow is on IR” defense 

and the “but how did he keep playing after that” defense lol

it’s a hospital.  Simple.  You even got NFL QBs explaining it to you in real time with the all22 and telling exactly where Bryce need to put the ball and when.  

 

You exclusively highlighted Hunter's name on the injury report and then immediately cast blame. I've pointed out that this wasn't the hospital ball you claim it to be while also acknowledging that there could have been another option to target instead of Renfrow.

By everything you've expressed here, you don't think seam routes should ever be thrown. I don't know how that helps the already struggling offense, but I do know that it would make it even worse than it already is. Scapegoating never has and never will solve anything.

Tell you what: Try not blaming Bryce or casting shade his way for the entire week after Arizona and instead look at the other 21 starters and assess what they're doing (again, without shading Bryce). I'll join you and refrain from exploring what the rest of the team is doing and will focus solely on what Bryce needs to do better. Deal? This is a sincere peace offering to allow us to explore the other's perspective and perhaps be even more informed football fans.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, Icege said:

You exclusively highlighted Hunter's name on the injury report and then immediately cast blame. I've pointed out that this wasn't the hospital ball you claim it to be while also acknowledging that there could have been another option to target instead of Renfrow.

By everything you've expressed here, you don't think seam routes should ever be thrown. I don't know how that helps the already struggling offense, but I do know that it would make it even worse than it already is. Scapegoating never has and never will solve anything.

Tell you what: Try not blaming Bryce or casting shade his way for the entire week after Arizona and instead look at the other 21 starters and assess what they're doing (again, without shading Bryce). I'll join you and refrain from exploring what the rest of the team is doing and will focus solely on what Bryce needs to do better. Deal? This is a sincere peace offering to allow us to explore the other's perspective and perhaps be even more informed football fans.

Immediately cast blame? We had been talking about the bad throws to Hunter (the missed TDs and hospital ball) for days leading up to that injury report.   And yeah, the rib injury then becomes something to point out. 

and you are getting desperate with this projected extremism.  No one  said you should never throw seams.  I shared with you an article after you scoffed at seams being routes you can get hung out to dry on….and it was the best of the best talking about the dangers of those routes.   And they talked about it because they threw them a lot and there dudes were at risk so the throws really matter.  Because you can hurt your receivers. 

we disagree, cool.  I got a pro Bryce former NFL QB calling it a hospital ball and bad throw.  So I got a plus +1 making my argument.  Find a QB that backs your take. 

[Loyalty4Life]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/dont-hold-your-breath-gronkowski-says-he-approaches-seam-routes-with-no-fear/381799/?amp=1
 

Yeah, here is Brady, Gronk and the prime Patriots discussing the dangers and risk TE/slots face with seam routes.  

you way too smart to be defending some of this bro 

How did Renfrow get the rib injury and why wasn’t that classified a drop.  Go check the game day thread.  Entire board could ID that obvious one in real time. 

I read the entire article.  

Seam routes are great against a single high safety because they have to make a decision.  They can be high risk, high reward play but they are a staple in nearly every NFL game.  Just because they are tight windows doesn't make them hospital balls.

The biggest takeaway from that whole article was this is football.  You're going to get hit.  You can get lit up on any play.  QB tries the best he can to judge the distance but the structure of the play is going to get you hit and that safety can run down hill.  

Here is one to Sanders, from the same game, who slows down slightly and puts himself in a better position to make the catch without getting lit up.  Hunter ran full tilt and jumped.  No fear running that route which is what Grok recommends.  
 

 

[Basbear]

So Icky is going ANOTHER week?? 

I need to logout before I say some ish.....

Edited 2 hours ago by Basbear

[csx]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

So Icky is going ANOTHER week?? 

I need to logout before I say some ish.....

Its says Questionable. You really that bothered by appendicitis?

[csx]

21 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I read the entire article.  

Seam routes are great against a single high safety because they have to make a decision.  They can be high risk, high reward play but they are a staple in nearly every NFL game.  Just because they are tight windows doesn't make them hospital balls.

The biggest takeaway from that whole article was this is football.  You're going to get hit.  You can get lit up on any play.  QB tries the best he can to judge the distance but the structure of the play is going to get you hit and that safety can run down hill.  

Here is one to Sanders, from the same game, who slows down slightly and puts himself in a better position to make the catch without getting lit up.  Hunter ran full tilt and jumped.  No fear running that route which is what Grok recommends.  
 

 

He wants Clemson players to be coddled. Dont read any deeper in to it.

[Basbear]

Just now, csx said:

Its says Questionable. You really that bothered by appendicitis?

 

I do not his healing or how the surgery went. Just 3 weeks for a grown man with all sorts of "juice" in his system, I just know toughness is not of strength of his....... I knew that when a safety pancaked him years ago.... 

I do think back to Chris Sims speen game and he finished it somehow. Went to the hospital and if he came a couple hours laters, he would be rip. Im just different about injuries and too old school about it. Still 4 full weeks for this, something else must have happened. I've been taking my pops to visits and they are scared to death about infections, Icky could have easily got one. DJ had issues in rehab last year. 

[CRA]

32 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I read the entire article.  

Seam routes are great against a single high safety because they have to make a decision.  They can be high risk, high reward play but they are a staple in nearly every NFL game.  Just because they are tight windows doesn't make them hospital balls.

The biggest takeaway from that whole article was this is football.  You're going to get hit.  You can get lit up on any play.  QB tries the best he can to judge the distance but the structure of the play is going to get you hit and that safety can run down hill.  

Here is one to Sanders, from the same game, who slows down slightly and puts himself in a better position to make the catch without getting lit up.  Hunter ran full tilt and jumped.  No fear running that route which is what Grok recommends.  
 

 

Yeah, it’s not complicated.

is a seam route a hospital ball? No.

can a seam route be a hospital ball ? Yes.  

if you are throwing seam routes do you need to make sure you don’t hang your TE/WR out to dry? Yes.  Because of injury. 

as a former NFL QB explained….Bryce was late with the throw (common issue with Bryce) and  threw it too far up field.  So a seam route became a hospital ball.

result? An incompletion that got his WR banged up 

honestly have no clue what Bryce defenders are doing at this point.   I’m out on talking about all his bad throws from Sunday.   

[Loyalty4Life]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, it’s not complicated.

is a seam route a hospital ball? No.

can a seam route be a hospital ball ? Yes.  

if you are throwing seam routes do you need to make sure you don’t hang your TE/WR out to dry? Yes.  Because of injury. 

as a former NFL QB explained….Bryce was late with the throw (common issue with Bryce) and  threw it too far up field.  So a seam route became a hospital ball.

result? An incompletion that got his WR banged up 

honestly have no clue what Bryce defenders are doing at this point.   I’m out on talking about all his bad throws from Sunday.   

That entire article you posted was about the route being very difficult to throw and receivers running the route should count on getting hit.  

Let's me put it another way.  No matter how good the throw is there is a very good chance that player is taking a hit.  QB knows it.  Receiver knows it.  Safety knows it.

I guess it must also be Tom Brady's greatest flaw because those seam routes to Grok took a heavy toll getting Grok lit up often.  I wish we had a Grok so Bryce could throw more of those seam hospital balls.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Loyalty4Life

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

That entire article you posted was about the route being very difficult to throw and receivers running the route should count on getting hit.  

Let's me put it another way.  No matter how good the throw is there is a very good chance that player is taking a hit.  QB knows it.  Receiver knows it.  Safety knows it.

I guess it must also be Tom Brady's greatest flaw because those seam routes to Grok took a heavy toll getting Grok lit up often.  I wish we had a Grok so Bryce could throw more of those seam hospital balls.

 

I don’t know what to tell yall,  literally a NFL QB in slow motion breaks down where the ball should have gone and when…and the difference it provides Renfrow on that play.  It’s two different worlds for the WR.   Oh, and it’s probably then a completion of course 

 

 

[Loyalty4Life]

15 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don’t know what to tell yall,  literally a NFL QB in slow motion breaks down where the ball should have gone and when…and the difference it provides Renfrow on that play.  It’s two different worlds for the WR.   Oh, and it’s probably then a completion of course 

 

 

Yes, Bryce could have throw it a tad shorter.  Renfrow could have also not jumped or he could have throttled his route like Sanders did in the clip I shared. 
 

Who is this NFL QB you keep referring to?  If that's his learned opinion he'll have the same opinion on a ton of Brady throws to Grok.  If Brady hadn't thrown so many leading poo passes that got Grok lit up, maybe they'd have more championships.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Loyalty4Life

[electro's horse]

4 hours ago, Icege said:

You're acting like Bryce put him out for the game and the week when that play happened at 4:01 in Q2. Renfrow was targeted four more times after that. Plus, a hospital ball is a poorly placed pass that puts the receiver in a dangerous position to take a big hit by being late or inaccurate. 

Ball is out an on its way here. The catch is made at the 25yd line on the hash. Renfrow jumps for no reason and is airborne when he's hit. Bryce doesn't drift him over in front of the safety on the throw and as we can see from the capture that he had the right read.

Could he have also waited a little longer for XL to pop up over the middle on the in route? You won't hear me disagree with that. Would have also likely netted more YAC than Renfrow would've considering positioning and momentum for both players. I like that option better than the one he took, but you're also not going to see me make 10 different threads about it like we've seen this week.

Also worth noting that while Renfrow didn't need to jump for that ball that he did run a beautiful route to get open.

Jesus Christ shut the fug up 

[electro's horse]

Bryce has been killing people since his first season. 

Hayden hurst never played again 

https://x.com/avl_mike/status/1732541835011113395?s=46

Legette has never made a catch since this 

https://x.com/mysportsupdate/status/1865822057725821072?s=46

bryce also almost got sanders killed on a deep cross by he was smart enough to dive to the ground instantly  

like getting receivers killed is what Bryce does

Edited 48 minutes ago by electro's horse