Can we all admit it now?

[LinvilleGorge]

Show me anyone who has been as bad as Bryce through 30 games and turned into a serviceable player much less a star. Getting 30 games while being as terrible as he has been is a monumental achievement in and of itself.

[Loyalty4Life]

29 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

When people keep bringing that up, remind them that Rhule’s first season included Teddy blowing chances to beat GB and KC who were the 2 playoff #1 seeds that year and Rhule started off his second season 3-1 with a close loss to Dallas and Darnold had 10 total TDs in those 4 games. Even with that, Rhule was universally disliked and booted in year 3 so the Philly/KC games mean nothing. We’ve gotten worse since Rhule and it honestly feels a lot further away from the playoffs.

Great example.  What has Sam Darnold done since we got rid of him?

I'm not saying we should have kept him but it turns out he has a lot of talent but our coaching staff at the time were morons.  Same with Baker.  I've got a good friend who is a diehard Browns player and would loooooooovvve to have Baker back.  Should have never traded him but that's the Browns.  I don't want us to be the Browns.

This are all instances of teams/fans that give up on players too soon, don't see how coaching and situations effect a QB's development.  If Darnold had gotten drafted by a team with a decent coaching staff he may have figured it out sooner.

[Loyalty4Life]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Show me anyone who has been as bad as Bryce through 30 games and turned into a serviceable player much less a star. Getting 30 games while being as terrible as he has been is a monumental achievement in and of itself.

Sam Darnold and Geno Smith recently.

Jake Plummer, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Tommy Maddox, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Rich Gannon, Alex Smith, Vinny Testaverde, Terry Bradshaw.

 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Sam Darnold and Geno Smith recently.

Jake Plummer, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Tommy Maddox, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Rich Gannon, Alex Smith, Vinny Testaverde, Terry Bradshaw.

 

bruh

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

People saying he was too small and would never hold up in the NFL.  Dude can take a shot.  People saying he doesn't have the ability to throw down the field.  That great pass in game 1 from this year that Nola should have caught in the endzone was 43 yards in the air.  He can make all the throws.

They said he can't throw when pressured.  Was one of the top QB's under pressure over the 2nd half of last season.  
They said he doesn't throw deep.  Had one of the highest deep pass attempts in the league over the 2nd half of the season.
They said, Oh, well, he can but he's not good at it.  Of those deep passes he was one of the most accurate despite a high drop rate by his receivers.

People keep saying it's been 3 years.  That's enough time to see he sucks.  In reality it's been 2 years and 2 games.  There is no way I'll ever believe his rookie year didn't set him back.  No matter what was said it was a horrible situation on every level.  We are trying to come out of and build from that Frank Reich year which I hope was the bottom of the barrel.  I've never seen a worse situation for a rookie QB, maybe for any QB. 

I don't think it's that much of a stretch after how bad that year was for any players development to set it aside and say that year doesn't paint an accurate picture.    

I'm not even arguing for Bryce in so much as I'm arguing to have more patience and quit with the hyperbole and over the top statement or outright lies.  It's only because a handful of the same people have hated Bryce since he was drafted and have rarely given him credit for what he has done and can do.

It's the lack of an accurate representation of Bryce and our situation and the development of players.

2021 - It was Derrick Brown's 2nd year, week 11.  He was benched.  Calls to trade him.  He sucks.  The Panthers are cursed.  Fast forward a few years and he has developed into one of the best players on the team and a Captain.  

I don't know if Bryce will spiral and completely bust or if it's just a rocky road to stardom like so many players before him.  We have very little to lose and everything to gain by staying the course right now.


 

1. He is too small.  Have you not seen the fact the ball has been flying out of his hands the past 2 Sundays?  You know we can't really QB sneak in Carolina right?  I mean is he maybe a little tougher than some might think? Sure.  But that doesn't mean he isn't too small. 

2.  He can't make all the throws and many of his throws just flat out stink.  His vertical and sideline throws generally stink.  See week 1.  I can't say see week 2 because he didn't attempt any.   You doing a whole lot of ignoring week 1 and letting one okay ball to a LOT of talking.  Essentially every ball minus one that went downfield stunk.  

3.  now you are getting into that 2024 PFF deep ball nonsense and I'm not doing anymore of that.   

[Loyalty4Life]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

bruh

Way to counter my argument.  I concede.

Drew Brees' second year (2003):

Starts: 11
Record: 2-9
Passing: 2,108 yards
Completion %: 57.6%
Touchdowns: 11
Interceptions: 15
Passer Rating: ~67.5

Bryce Youngs' second year (2024):

Starts: 14
Record: 5-7
Passing: 2,403 yards
Completion %: 60.9%
Touchdowns: 15
Interceptions: 9
Passer Rating: ~82.2

I am not saying Bryce is going to turn into Brees.  But this is a great comparison to prove my point that guys can take time to develop and other QB's have come back from situations comparable to Bryces to not only be serviceable but outright stars. 

[CRA]

 

2 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Way to counter my argument.  I concede.

Drew Brees' second year (2003):

Starts: 11
Record: 2-9
Passing: 2,108 yards
Completion %: 57.6%
Touchdowns: 11
Interceptions: 15
Passer Rating: ~67.5

Bryce Youngs' second year (2024):

Starts: 14
Record: 5-7
Passing: 2,403 yards
Completion %: 60.9%
Touchdowns: 15
Interceptions: 9
Passer Rating: ~82.2

I am not saying Bryce is going to turn into Brees.  But this is a great comparison to prove my point that guys can take time to develop and other QB's have come back from situations comparable to Bryces to not only be serviceable but outright stars. 

Brees went 8-8 his first year as starter.  Holy cherry pick lol. 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Way to counter my argument.  I concede.

Drew Brees' second year (2003):

Starts: 11
Record: 2-9
Passing: 2,108 yards
Completion %: 57.6%
Touchdowns: 11
Interceptions: 15
Passer Rating: ~67.5

Bryce Youngs' second year (2024):

Starts: 14
Record: 5-7
Passing: 2,403 yards
Completion %: 60.9%
Touchdowns: 15
Interceptions: 9
Passer Rating: ~82.2

I am not saying Bryce is going to turn into Brees.  But this is a great comparison to prove my point that guys can take time to develop and other QB's have come back from situations comparable to Bryces to not only be serviceable but outright stars. 

If that's what you are clinging to then God bless, you are beyond reach

[kungfoodude]

20 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Sam Darnold and Geno Smith recently.

Jake Plummer, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Tommy Maddox, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Rich Gannon, Alex Smith, Vinny Testaverde, Terry Bradshaw.

 

Calling Darnold a "success" is laughable.

[electro's horse]

Doug Williams? Are we waiting for a work stoppage?

[Loyalty4Life]

Bruh?

Is Sam Darnold not serviceable?  Did he not have a great year last year with the Vikings?  He just went 22-33 for 295 yards with 2 TD and 2 picks in a win over the Steelers.  How is this wrong?

Combined two-year totals which includes Drew's 8-8 record in his first year:
Drew Brees
Record: 10-17
Passing: 5,392 yards
Touchdowns: 28
Interceptions: 31
Passer Rating: 67.5

Bryce Young
Record: 10-17
Passing: 5,280 yards
Touchdowns: 26
Interceptions: 19
Passer Rating: 77.95

This even forces me to include Bryce horrible first year and it's still comparable.

What am I missing now?  Does the climate out west for Drew make a difference when compared to east coast weather in comparison?  There is never going to be an exact match.  It's why I shared so many.

What is so freakin difficult is seeing that some NFL QB's have had similar starts to their career as Bryce, including getting benched or traded but still went on to be serviceable, much less a star?  That is literally all I'm saying here which is  direct response to George's "Show me anyone who has been as bad as Bryce through 30 games and turned into a serviceable player much less a star."

The fact that you can't concede even small points is very telling.  What I'm saying here isn't even controversial.  

I feel like I'm in the football version of Idiocracy.

Edited 8 hours ago by Loyalty4Life

[frankw]

Still trying to compare one of the smallest QB's in the league with zero physical tools to QB's who have all the physical tools

[electro's horse]

no one is going to take you seriously when you're pulling in doug williams and jim plunketts of the world. you're just listing QBs who had a fluke not terrible season later in their career, and you're butchering that. Like Tommy Maddox is kill on site in Pittsburgh. 

you're sea lioning in defense of the biggest (shortest) qb bust of the modern era. 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by electro's horse

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Still trying to compare one of the smallest QB's in the league with zero physical tools to QB's who have all the physical tools

Yep. It's not just about stats. It's about the eye test and tools for other organizations to work with.