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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And then you have potential game winning opportunities like last week...

Absolutely. I'm concerned by what I've seen this year because he looked much better at the end of last year, and I don't mean in terms of stats. He doesn't seem to be seeing the field as well, or maybe it's the turnover at WR, I don't know.

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What's misleading about the fact that this is the first win where Bryce didn't have to lead a GWD in order to get the dub?

Is that what I said? Or is that just what you want to argue against?

Let's take a look at his "game winning drives" last year. First up, the 2-7 Saints...

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Nice 26 yards completion going 1-4 for 26 yards with Chuba scoring on the ground from 16 yards out getting helped by 22 yards in penalties.

Next up, the 2-8 Giants...

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Literally nothing. We recovered a fumble already in FG range.

Next up, the Cardinals...

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Again, literally nothing. Two plays, 2 20+ yard runs by Chuba. But Bryce gets another "GWD" on the stat sheet.

Finally against the Falcons we have what most fans would consider a legit game winning drive...

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Is that what I said? Or is that just what you want to argue against?

Let's take a look at his "game winning drives" last year. First up, the 2-7 Saints...

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Nice 26 yards completion going 1-4 for 26 yards with Chuba scoring on the ground from 16 yards out getting helped by 22 yards in penalties.

Next up, the 2-8 Giants...

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Literally nothing. We recovered a fumble already in FG range.

Next up, the Cardinals...

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Again, literally nothing. Two plays, 2 20+ yard runs by Chuba. But Bryce gets another "GWD" on the stat sheet.

Finally against the Falcons we have what most fans would consider a legit game winning drive...

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The drives:

GWD1 (vs. Texans): Drive started at CAR 9 with 6:17 left down 1. Bryce was 5/6 on the drive for 50 yards. We won on a last-second FG.

GWD2 (vs. Falcons): Drive started at CAR 5 with 7:35 left down 2. Bryce was 5/5 for 68 yards on the drive. We won on a last-second FG.

GWD3 (vs. Saints): Drive started at CAR 36 with 3:26 left, down 5. Bryce was 1/3 for 26 yards on the drive. 22 yards were awarded for pass interferance. Chuba scored the go-ahead TD.

GWD4 (vs. Giants): Drive started on NYG 23 with 9:49 left in overtime following a fumble. Chuba ran three times to set up FG; Bryce did not do anything on this drive.

GWD5 (vs. Cards): Drive started on ARI 49 with 4:11 left in overtime. Chuba ran twice, the second being a touchdown. Bryce did not do anything on this drive.

GWD6 (vs. Falcons): Drive started on CAR 30 with 10 left in overtime. Bryce was 5/5 for 56 yards on the drive.

Of these, Bryce was directly the guy responsible in 3/6 of them (Texans, Falcons 2x), partially responsible in one of them (Saints), and had no part in the other two.

Again though: you were looking at the full-game rushing yards column lol

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I'm wondering if ATL didn't think:  "We need to see what we have in Penix.  Carolina is so bad that they are the perfect team to try this against."  Otherwise, it was pure stupidity to not just run Bijan.

What's good for us and bad for them is (1) Penix is as bad as we hoped, (2) We were not as bad as we appeared in the first two games, and (3) when they switched over to Cousins, they only got evidence that he is still not their savior and, at the same time, that they will not get that "premium" price for him in a trade.

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I'm wondering if ATL didn't think:  "We need to see what we have in Penix.  Carolina is so bad that they are the perfect team to try this against."  Otherwise, it was pure stupidity to not just run Bijan.

What's good for us and bad for them is (1) Penix is as bad as we hoped, (2) We were not as bad as we appeared in the first two games, and (3) when they switched over to Cousins, they only got evidence that he is still not their savior and, at the same time, that they will not get that "premium" price for him in a trade.

It wouldn't at all surprise me if they came into this game thinking it was basically a glorified joint practice where they could get the W while trying to work on some things. It doesn't matter how bad your opponent is in the NFL you can't look past them. That team is full of guys who were all conference and all American in college and were 1st or 2nd day draft pics and guys who are making millions of dollars to play football. Yeah, they may relatively suck in relation to the rest of the league but don't get too cocky.

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Take what you can get. Atlanta’s D has been very tough the first two weeks and our receivers aren’t exactly setting the world on fire. We have one legit guy who can challenge the D right now and he’s a rookie who is still finding his way. The game plan to control the game with solid defense and safe offense was the right one. 

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2 minutes ago, TN05 said:

The drives:

GWD1 (vs. Texans): Drive started at CAR 9 with 6:17 left down 1. Bryce was 5/6 on the drive for 50 yards. We won on a last-second FG.

GWD2 (vs. Falcons): Drive started at CAR 5 with 7:35 left down 2. Bryce was 5/5 for 68 yards on the drive. We won on a last-second FG.

GWD3 (vs. Saints): Drive started at CAR 36 with 3:26 left, down 5. Bryce was 1/3 for 26 yards on the drive. A lot of yards were awarded due to pass interference penalties. Chuba scored the go-ahead TD.

GWD4 (vs. Giants): Drive started on NYG 23 with 9:49 left in overtime following a fumble. Chuba ran three times to set up FG; Bryce did not do anything on this drive.

GWD5 (vs. Cards): Drive started on ARI 49 with 4:11 left in overtime. Chuba ran twice, the second being a touchdown. Bryce did not do anything on this drive.

GWD6 (vs. Falcons): Drive started on CAR 30 with 10 left in overtime. Bryce was 5/5 for 56 yards on the drive.

Of these, Bryce was directly the guy responsible in 3/6 of them (Texans, Falcons 2x), partially responsible in one of them (Saints), and had no part in the other two.

Again though: you were looking at the full-game rushing yards column lol

In fairness, if someone is going to take away the GWDs that he did nothing, then they should add when he led what should have been GWDs but the worst NFL defense did nothing afterwards.  There were several of those as well.

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5 minutes ago, TN05 said:


Of these, Bryce was directly the guy responsible in 3/6 of them (Texans, Falcons 2x), partially responsible in one of them (Saints), and had no part in the other two.
 

Now how many of the 24 losses in his 31 starts would we say that Bryce was directly or partially responsible for? There have been VERY few games that we've lost where Bryce has played well and let down by the team around him.

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Now how many of the 24 losses in his 31 starts would we say that Bryce was directly or partially responsible for? There have been VERY few games that we've lost where Bryce has played well and let down by the team around him.

Bears 2023 - Eddy Piniero missed a 59-yard game-tying FG with 1:40 left.
Green Bay 2023 - NFL's worst defense ruined a 300+ yard effort by allowing Jordan Love to lead a comeback with only 4:05 on the clock.
Tampa 2024 - Bryce led a touchdown drive to go up by 3 with only 33 seconds left. NFL's worst defense allowed Tampa to tie in 33 seconds and then lost in OT.
Kansas City 2024 - Led a touchdown drive to tie the game with 1:46 left. NFL's worst defense allowed Mahomes to drive and score a game-winning FG.

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Bears 2023 - Eddy Piniero missed a 59-yard game-tying FG with 1:40 left.
Green Bay 2023 - NFL's worst defense ruined a 300+ yard effort by allowing Jordan Love to lead a comeback with only 4:05 on the clock.
Tampa 2024 - Bryce led a touchdown drive to go up by 3 with only 33 seconds left. NFL's worst defense allowed Tampa to tie in 33 seconds and then lost in OT.
Kansas City 2024 - Led a touchdown drive to tie the game with 1:46 left. NFL's worst defense allowed Mahomes to drive and score a game-winning FG.

Cool. So only 20 of the 24 losses? LOL

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My fear is Bryce plays just well enough to keep QB out of the equation in the first round.  With so many underclassmen, it's difficult to predict how deep this QB class will be.  There's definitely talent.  It won't be as stacked as 2024 (which I advocated we wait for...sigh) but it sure as heck won't be 2025 or worse, 2022.

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