Week 4 Other Games

[Jackie Lee]

Makes that 4th down call even more questionable lol. They must internally know this data

 

[fanpanther]

shanahans offense is always pretty amazing and mac jones was running it well tonight.  panthers should have signed him last offseason.

[NAS]

47 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

shanahans offense is always pretty amazing and mac jones was running it well tonight.  panthers should have signed him last offseason.

Lol Bryce would look even better in that offense. Mac would be trash in Canales offense.  

[frankw]

16 minutes ago, NAS said:

Lol Bryce would look even better in that offense. Mac would be trash in Canales offense.  

Well that's certainly an opinion.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Lol Bryce would look even better in that offense. Mac would be trash in Canales offense.  

I very seriously doubt that but at the same time the Mac Jones we saw last night would've never showed up in Carolina, that's for sure.

[fanpanther]

3 hours ago, NAS said:

Lol Bryce would look even better in that offense. Mac would be trash in Canales offense.  

I dont see that happening, the throws with the velocity and touch that mac jones had last night and his ability to see over the line is something young has yet to show.  even though mac jones was booted from the patriots he still showed more promise and better stats than young has ever done.  Mac Jones does have a week arm by nfl standards but young is just another level of not physically gifted.  But it could also be that every coach and player young has played with in the nfl are all terrible and they are all holding his greatness back 

[mav1234]

I don't think Mac Jones has a stronger arm, just better footwork.

[TylerDurden]

4 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think Mac Jones has a stronger arm, just better footwork.

And the height difference matters, a lot.

[amcoolio]

Mac didn’t attempt a single pass past 25 yards, and only one pass 20. You guys would just turn on him here immediately if we signed him 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

And the height difference matters, a lot.

Yeah, I think part of the reason that Bryce has an issue with missing high is that anytime he has traffic in front of him he's having to loft the ball up and over that traffic

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Mac didn’t attempt a single pass past 25 yards, and only one pass 20. You guys would just turn on him here immediately if we signed him 

If Bryce was efficient it wouldn't matter. The issue with Bryce is that he both can't push the ball down the field and he can't be efficient. That leaves your offense stalled out because the defense is choking you to death.

[LinvilleGorge]

11 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Makes that 4th down call even more questionable lol. They must internally know this data

 

I get the call to go for it. The bitch of coaching is that when you make these calls you're brilliant if it works out and you're a jackass if it doesn't and everyone's going to second guess it. It's is what it is.

I get that he's expecting his OL to be able to create a yard there but at the same time it's also basically your weakness against their strength. The part I disagree most with honestly was the decision to go out there and bark to try to create the false start then calling a timeout and putting your offense back on the field. Now you've shown your hand. Now they know you're going. You can't call back to back dead all timeouts and you're not backing your FG kicker up so you're going. I agree with trying to create the false start but I don't think you call a timeout and then out your offense back out there. If that's your plan you gotta kick. When Stafford started walking off with still several seconds left in the play clock I honestly thought they were gonna do something sneaky like a direct snap to the RB or the RB running up under center and basically doing a tush push style play. I don't like calling the timeout and putting your offense back there with the D now knowing you're gonna go.

[strato]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I think part of the reason that Bryce has an issue with missing high is that anytime he has traffic in front of him he's having to loft the ball up and over that traffic

That could be. No one paid attention but I posted a video last year of two NFL QBs I forget which two, but they ran a test with velocity reader thing.
What it was was first throw at a target with your normal comfortable motion. 20 yards maybe which gets you what, 12-15 yards downfield? Anyhow they were hitting the net or whatever they were throwing to. 
Next you throw your ‘fastball’ (high effort).

They were missing high a lot. Predominantly high, but the accuracy suffered. 
So if you are a guy that has to try harder to get the same velocity, that you might need, that is something that you are likely going to see, less accuracy and missing high. 

Edited October 3, 2025 by strato

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, strato said:

That could be. No one paid attention but I posted a video last year of two NFL QBs I forget which two, but they ran a test with velocity reader thing.
What it was was first throw at a target with your normal comfortable motion. 20 yards maybe which gets you what, 12-15 yards downfield? Anyhow they were hitting the net or whatever they were throwing to. 
Next you throw your ‘fastball’. They were missing high a lot. Predominantly high, but the accuracy suffered. 
So if you are a guy that has to try harder to get the same velocity, that you might need, that is something that you are likely going to see, less accuracy and missing high. 

Yeah that's why I don't put any stock into the Combine max velocity figures. All that matters is how well you generate velocity in game situations. I don't care how hard you can throw when you have all day and wind up like a baseball pitcher. It's just not relevant to an actual football game. Kirk Cousins threw the ball 10mph faster at the Combine than Lamar Jackson. Cousins (and Goff too for that matter) was right up there with Allen and Mahomes in terms of max velocity. Does that show up on an NFL field?