Should we roll the dice on....

[Panthering]

That would be the nail in the coffin for me following this team for the year. If you thought the discourse around Bryce was bad.... my god the Shedeur stuff is 1000x worse. Don't think he's any good anyways and don't like how he handles himself at all. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I realize Tepper sucks, but I think it's much more likely that Dan and Dave just aren't very good at their jobs.  I don't know that I buy there was a block from ownership on bringing in any backup QBs this offseason.

I think DM and DC thought they'd be fine.  Bryce is back and they like having Andy around the office.

My concern is that the replacements will be hired by the same guy and come from the same limited talent pool of people willing to work for Tepper. That's why I'm all for giving Morgan and Canales every opportunity this year  I'm not letting them trade away future high picks but I'm not getting in their way of they want to trade a 5th or less for a QB that they say can make this offense work. It's worth that cost to get the answer on them. Let them do that and the results still look like this, now you know for sure and it only cost you a later round pick to get that definitive answer.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It helps to answer the Canales question. With the Bryce question answered now we have to work on the lingering big question. I'm out on Bryce and Evero. Now we gotta work on the Canales question.

I don't think piling up TO's is gonna answer much in the way of coaching questions. If you actually had a GOOD NFL QB, it might.

And, TBH, we do actually know the answer to the Canales question. It's just a matter of accepting it.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

Thats where we disagree then. I cant see a coach looking at what Dalton did last year and not wanting to at least try to improve the backup role. Not in any seriousness anyway. And why was Plummer back. He was hot garbage last TC and again this year. I just can't believe that we took the QB position seriously other than Bryce is our guy no matter what when they didnt even try to improve an ancient backup that already showed he wasnt good enough to be competitive. 

I used to think that but im not so sure now. If that is true then it doesn't matter what we think because this team will never improve. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

My concern is that the replacements will be hired by the same guy and come from the same limited talent pool of people willing to work for Tepper. That's why I'm all for giving Morgan and Canales every opportunity this year  I'm not letting them trade away future high picks but I'm not getting in their way of they want to trade a 5th or less for a QB that they say can make this offense work. It's worth that cost to get the answer on them. Let them do that and the results still look like this, now you know for sure and it only cost you a later round pick to get that definitive answer.

I'm not against it.  I just think they're dumb.  I actually don't mind if they both get another year, just to rebuild the Panthers brand image a bit.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I don't think piling up TO's is gonna answer much in the way of coaching questions. If you actually had a GOOD NFL QB, it might.

And, TBH, we do actually know the answer to the Canales question. It's just a matter of accepting it.

It would be about seeing the offense actually function and move the ball. Hell, a functioning offense that moves the ball and puts up points but shoots us in the dick with turnovers kinda feels like the perfect situation. We get a more watchable product, Canales shows his offense can fix ruin with a QB with NFL tools, and we protect our draft position with turnovers and Evero defense.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm not against it.  I just think they're dumb.  I actually don't mind if they both get another year, just to rebuild the Panthers brand image a bit.

This crew is not going to improve anything. It's only getting worse with each game. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My concern is that the replacements will be hired by the same guy and come from the same limited talent pool of people willing to work for Tepper. That's why I'm all for giving Morgan and Canales every opportunity this year  I'm not letting them trade away future high picks but I'm not getting in their way of they want to trade a 5th or less for a QB that they say can make this offense work. It's worth that cost to get the answer on them. Let them do that and the results still look like this, now you know for sure and it only cost you a later round pick to get that definitive answer.

I think people massively underestimate how much the Tepper thing will haunt all future hires. There are people who won't come here, no matter the price he attempts to throw at them.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm not against it.  I just think they're dumb.  I actually don't mind if they both get another year, just to rebuild the Panthers brand image a bit.

They both just seem over their heads in their current roles and that's why no one else was considering them for these roles. But other than getting extremely lucky they'd be replaced by similar.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think people massively underestimate how much the Tepper thing will haunt all future hires. There are people who won't come here, no matter the price he attempts to throw at them.

I don't think anyone with other options is coming here at this point. If they have other options or reasonably anticipate having other options coming up within the next couple of years they're not jumping on the Tepper clown show career path grenade. And honestly their agents are probably telling them that.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They both just seem over their heads in their current roles and that's why no one else was considering them for these roles. But other than getting extremely lucky they'd be replaced by similar.

The problem is he'd keep around someone like Jim Caldwell to drive the next group of hires.  It's not only that he can't hire anyone good.  It's that he always keeps around someone bad from the last regime to seed the next one.  

[Jay Roosevelt]

We need to stop "rolling the dice," period.

Go find a decent veteran QB who can be serviceable for a year or two, improve the team in other areas and wait until the right guy is available in the draft and then make our move.

It's this kind of desperation to find "the guy" at QB that has hurt as more than anything in the Tepper era. It's become a vicious cycle and we won't solve anything until we break that cycle.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It would be about seeing the offense actually function and move the ball. Hell, a functioning offense that moves the ball and puts up points but shoots us in the dick with turnovers kinda feels like the perfect situation. We get a more watchable product, Canales shows his offense can fix ruin with a QB with NFL tools, and we protect our draft position with turnovers and Evero defense.

I would say Dalton is perfectly capable of doing as good or better of a job of that(which is to say, not very) as any of these 3rd string gunslingers people want to bring it. The logistics of all of this don't even make any sense, regardless. You aren't going to see them prepared in the full offense until damn near the end of the season. Remember, none of those guys were in camp with us at all. Frankly, for guys like Winston and Howell, it's questionable that they are ever really able to fully grasp just about any offensive system. They typically revert to, "CHICKS DIG THE LONG BALL!" pretty quickly.

[WarPanthers89]

lol he’ll naw. We need to roll the dice on Jon Gruden before we even think about Sanders (this is a joke of course….unless it’s not )