PFF Grades for Week 3 @ NE

[PantherChris]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

it is a bit exhausting tbh, it's why I've stopped bothering to look into understanding the circumstances and just thrown my hands up. There's just nothing new to add.

but the rest of the team is also in such rough shape, hard to be excited. At least we've got a handful of very good players... Just wish we could get something more consistent and competent going as a team.

Pretty much this ^^^ we know hes not an NFL qb at this point nothing new to add. 

 

 

[PantherChris]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

aceboogie

icege

Gooby

 

those and a few more

None of these are shocking. 

I was wait and see this year.... and I saw enough after game one to know BY will never produce in games that actually matter....

 

Hes NOT AN NFL QB and he never will be.... that horse is dead. 

[*FreeFua*]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's getting old watching Panthers player look as good as they're ever gonna look on opening day of their rookie season. We just don't develop talent. Chuba is one of the few guys in recent years who has actually significantly improved as Panther vs. when he was drafted. There's a loooooong list of guys who havent.

What makes it worse this time is the fact Dave keeps preaching how he and his staff are a developmental staff 

I’m going to assume from day 1 this whole “development” schtick was just a way for him to buy himself some extra time from Tepper 

I can’t think of one player that has made legitimate progress under Canales’ staff

Coker proved he could play last preseason. Wasn’t anything Dave did. I can’t think of anyone else someone might say

[mrcompletely11]

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

On the list of things I will never understand in a million years

1.How half of the huddle could see this and a professional org could not

2. How the hell does dan morgan get the gm job all things considered

3. Why in the hell did we trade up for a rb with a torn acl

 

theres more but those are my top head scratchers

4. Resigning Andy dalton

 

fug me there a lot

[TD alt]

22 hours ago, frankw said:

Demonization is an absurd term to apply in this discussion in relation to Bryce Young.

Demonization would be how fans still outwardly rooted against Cam Newton even after he looked like a generational talent earned rookie of the year honors and MVP. This is not that. At all.

All that is happening currently are people applying expectations of a first overall pick. Even if we lose even if we aren't good show us flashes of what a #1 pick is supposed to do. Elevate YOUR team. And we are not seeing that.

Man, we're past that now. We missed the boat. We crapped out. Only people like "sunshiny" Dave Canales can't see it, don't want to see it, or just don't want to admit it in public for whatever reasons. Maybe the Teppers are suffering from escalation commitment or the sunk-cost fallacy and have their employees mouths on lock. Whatever and whoever is to blame, I hope that the Bryce experience culminates in him being benched and traded sooner rather than later. Evero can go fly a kite too. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

Man, we're past that now. We missed the boat. We crapped out. Only people like "sunshiny" Dave Canales can't see it, don't want to see it, or just don't want to admit it in public for whatever reasons. Maybe the Teppers are suffering from escalation commitment or the sunk-cost fallacy and have their employees mouths on lock. Whatever and whoever is to blame, I hope that the Bryce experience culminates in him being benched and traded sooner rather than later. Evero can go fly a kite too. 

I honestly think there's a very good chance that Canales can see it. I just don't know if it's his call. I don't know that he has the ability to bench Bryce without Tepper's blessing. It happened last year so there's hope, I just hope it happens again soon. We need to see Dalton starting ASAP while there's still time on the clock before the trade deadline. We have options right now. We won't have options left in a few weeks. Even if you end up blowing it all up and doing a full reset after this season, you gotta show those candidates that you gave the current crew every chance to be successful because I think the common belief out there in NFL circles right now is that you're fighting a massive uphill battle working for David Tepper.

[mrcompletely11]

21 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

4. Resigning Andy dalton

 

fug me there a lot

5. Extending moton  - why just why would you do that?

[TD alt]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly think there's a very good chance that Canales can see it. I just don't know if it's his call. I don't know that he has the ability to bench Bryce without Tepper's blessing. It happened last year so there's hope, I just hope it happens again soon. We need to see Dalton starting ASAP while there's still time on the clock before the trade deadline. We have options right now. We won't have options left in a few weeks. Even if you end up blowing it all up and doing a full reset after this season, you gotta show those candidates that you gave the current crew every chance to be successful because I think the common belief out there in NFL circles right now is that you're fighting a massive uphill battle working for David Tepper.

Honestly, I don't want to see Dalton either (though I know it has to happen), but I'm Bryced out. As a Panthers fan, I've seen enough of him for a lifetime. I say get Double H up to speed, see what he has in a Panthers uniform (if anything), and ultimately plan to draft 9's replacement in April. 

[mrcompletely11]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

5. Extending moton  - why just why would you do that?

6. trading up for a 24 year old project end

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

6. trading up for a 24 year old project end

That was technically Fitterer but Morgan was his right hand man

Morgan then did the exact same thing and traded up for a 32 year old project WR the following year 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

That was technically Fitterer but Morgan was his right hand man

Morgan then did the exact same thing and traded up for a 32 year old project WR the following year 

its pretty clear on the video he was wanting to do it as well, no dissent at all which is crazy and scary

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

its pretty clear on the video he was wanting to do it as well, no dissent at all which is crazy and scary

There’s no way Fitterer would’ve done something if Dan was 100% against it 

[Icege]

21 hours ago, mav1234 said:

it is a bit exhausting tbh, it's why I've stopped bothering to look into understanding the circumstances and just thrown my hands up. There's just nothing new to add.

I can understand folks being exhausted and not interested in understanding what's happening with something they don't have direct control over. At the same time, I cannot understand some of those same folks feeling threatened by fans that do want to try and understand to the point of where they go out of their way to attack them in multiple threads they're not even participating in.

With a couple of mods not wanting quality discussions and the majority of the active posters just wanting to scream into the void, it doesn't look like it's even worth sharing the all-22 analysis here anymore. I'll keep doing it for myself since it's fun (I've finally got the first half completed, the notes are not pretty) but to hell with trying to provide anything here that isn't scapegoating a single person it seems.

Edited October 1, 2025 by Icege

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, Icege said:

I can understand folks being exhausted and not interested in understanding what's happening with something they don't have direct control over. At the same time, I cannot understand some of those same folks feeling threatened by fans that do want to try and understand to the point of where they go out of their way to attack them in multiple threads they're not even participating in.

With a couple of mods not wanting quality discussions and the majority of the active posters just wanting to scream into the void, it doesn't look like it's even worth sharing the all-22 analysis here anymore. I'll keep doing it for myself since it's fun (I've finally got the first half completed, the notes are not pretty) but to hell with trying to provide anything here that isn't scapegoating a single person it seems.

I personally would love a recap. Its helpful to know how bad it is and where it's falling apart. I already know it's nearly everywhere but it helps to know who's developing and who's not. It also helps to evaluate the coaches. But that's just me.