PFF Grades for Week 3 @ NE

[frankw]

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[Icege]

21 hours ago, PantherChris said:

Lol. Not quite the same, Ive just limited my Panthers forum time lately I hate Bryce young but its a broken record until they do somthing about it.. 

 

I do appreciate you for being honest. Don't know why the other posters that actively hate Bryce keep pretending they don't. At least a good faith discussion can possibly be had then.

I've said multiple times that Bryce is showing this season that he isn't the guy, but we still have posters that feel threatened doing something beyond hating him that think pointing out other shitty parts of the team is making excuses for or defending the QB play.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Icege said:

I can understand folks being exhausted and not interested in understanding what's happening with something they don't have direct control over. At the same time, I cannot understand some of those same folks feeling threatened by fans that do want to try and understand to the point of where they go out of their way to attack them in multiple threads they're not even participating in.

With a couple of mods not wanting quality discussions and the majority of the active posters just wanting to scream into the void, it doesn't look like it's even worth sharing the all-22 analysis here anymore. I'll keep doing it for myself since it's fun (I've finally got the first half completed, the notes are not pretty) but to hell with trying to provide anything here that isn't scapegoating a single person it seems.

The part you always fail to realize is that your working definition of "quality conversation" is conversation that you approve of. You interpret any joking or dissenting opinions as "attacks".

Nobody cares about your woe as me bullshit. Post or don't. Just stop whining that people don't roll out the red carpet for you and put you on some pedestal of being the Huddle's own super analyst. You're the biggest whiner on this board and the source of 90% of the reported posts and it's usually just some post you didn't like. If someone dares mention Bryce in some thread you go ape poo but you can scoff and talk about "oh, now everyone will just blame Bryce LOL" in other threads and evidently that's different in your mind. Bryce doesn't need a personal internet white knights defending his honor. He's a big boy... well, that's a stretch. He's an adult. He can handle it.

[Icege]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I personally would love a recap. Its helpful to know how bad it is and where it's falling apart. I already know it's nearly everywhere but it helps to know who's developing and who's not. It also helps to evaluate the coaches. But that's just me.

I was considering just sharing the notes because there's a lot of bad and I wanted to be considerate of folks like @Basbear that might be browsing on a device that doesn't play nice with a bunch of videos. Then if there was any further discussion on particular plays, I could capture and upload those.

Dude it's so much... the team was so bad on Sunday. There's even a few bad Bryce plays in there for those with hate boners for him.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Icege said:

I was considering just sharing the notes because there's a lot of bad and I wanted to be considerate of folks like @Basbear that might be browsing on a device that doesn't play nice with a bunch of videos. Then if there was any further discussion on particular plays, I could capture and upload those.

Dude it's so much... the team was so bad on Sunday. There's even a few bad Bryce plays in there for those with hate boners for him.

I think we all know by now that Bryce is struggling with the basic things. I'm more interested in everything else. The rot runs deep.

[LinvilleGorge]

So post it. Cool. Just don't get bent out of shape when someone doesn't completely agree with your take or says something negative about Bryce. 

[Icege]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think we all know by now that Bryce is struggling with the basic things. I'm more interested in everything else. The rot runs deep.

Got 12 plays in Q1 + 14 plays in Q2 noted and briefly reviewed. Didn't think that getting down into the play design mattered to most since there's a focus on "Who's fault is it?" rather than "What was their assignment?"

Special teams was really, really bad but two of the worst offenders (DJ Johnson and Dalevon Campbell) are no longer on the roster. Akayleb Evans and Maema Njongmeta also did not look very good, but Campbell + Johnson were the worst offenders. I haven't gone back to confirm, but I believe that Campbell was playing the spot that Tremayne and David Moore typically play but with XL out they probably wanted to keep the other two available (wise since the game ended with just three active receivers still able to play).

If only Bryce were 7'6", maybe then special teams would have been able to maintain their lanes.

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[strato]

I am sick of being accused of hating a player because I think he sucks on tbe field and is bad for the team. 
I could accuse him of hating us because he destroys the thing we love, it seems anything is okay to label as hate. 
What I hate is the bullshit that from people giving us grief for having a different opinion about a player. So we must hate them them? Look to yourself. You are the one attacking people. 
going around like juvenile shitting on peoples posts because they say something contrary to your opinion. 
I dislike your pettiness so much at this point I don’t even read your analysis. You are so ducking petty I bet you probably like that I don’t. 

[Icege]

Hoo boy, them hit dogs are hating!

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[frankw]

9 minutes ago, strato said:

I am sick of being accused of hating a player because I think he sucks on tbe field and is bad for the team. 
I could accuse him of hating us because he destroys the thing we love, it seems anything is okay to label as hate. 
What I hate is the bullshit that from people giving us grief for having a different opinion about a player. So we must hate them them? Look to yourself. You are the one attacking people. 
going around like juvenile shitting on peoples posts because they say something contrary to your opinion. 
I dislike your pettiness so much at this point I don’t even read your analysis. You are so ducking petty I bet you probably like that I don’t. 

Bryce Young has one road win in three years and has consistently displayed the lowest volume of yards per play across the NFL since entering the league.

Nobody was going around whailing about Jimmy Clausen haters 15 years ago.

The word "hater" around here is effectively meaningless thanks to folks like the OP.

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[Jon Snow]

17 minutes ago, Icege said:

Got 12 plays in Q1 + 14 plays in Q2 noted and briefly reviewed. Didn't think that getting down into the play design mattered to most since there's a focus on "Who's fault is it?" rather than "What was their assignment?"

Special teams was really, really bad but two of the worst offenders (DJ Johnson and Dalevon Campbell) are no longer on the roster. Akayleb Evans and Maema Njongmeta also did not look very good, but Campbell + Johnson were the worst offenders. I haven't gone back to confirm, but I believe that Campbell was playing the spot that Tremayne and David Moore typically play but with XL out they probably wanted to keep the other two available (wise since the game ended with just three active receivers still able to play).

If only Bryce were 7'6", maybe then special teams would have been able to maintain their lanes.

I'm not looking for fault so much as who was out of place and who was getting abused that we may have missed.

[mav1234]

38 minutes ago, Icege said:

I can understand folks being exhausted and not interested in understanding what's happening with something they don't have direct control over. At the same time, I cannot understand some of those same folks feeling threatened by fans that do want to try and understand to the point of where they go out of their way to attack them in multiple threads they're not even participating in.

With a couple of mods not wanting quality discussions and the majority of the active posters just wanting to scream into the void, it doesn't look like it's even worth sharing the all-22 analysis here anymore. I'll keep doing it for myself since it's fun (I've finally got the first half completed, the notes are not pretty) but to hell with trying to provide anything here that isn't scapegoating a single person it seems.

I think it's easy to get pulled into the mud as it were by some of these discussions. We're all frustrated.  And it's resulted in some dumb trolling from a bunch of us (from you as well, though it seems that's been a relatively new occurrence the last bit). I am hoping that a few wins or at least more complete team play will calm things but who knows when that comes...

At this point, most of us know it isn't really just a single person. But the reality is the QB takes the most heat in losses and gets the most praise in wins when it isn't ridiculously obvious they didn't do much.  It's why Darnold was getting some calls for MVP here after his first 3 games, and others wanted to keep him at the end of 22 despite how overall painful his time here had been.  But still. The entire team looks rough and it's exposed how little control Canales seems to have.

I appreciate the all-22 analysis and breakdown. Sometimes it's hard to have discussions around it because so often it's just... Things going wrong everywhere. But I enjoy the read all the same.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, Icege said:

Hoo boy, them hit dogs are hating!

He's not wrong. Just like we told the Discord people who constantly complained about toxicity, they were blind to the reality that they were a big part of the toxicity they were complaining about. You poo post as much as anyone here but you justify it by claiming you're only what others started but then you'll poison pill your own threads with snarky remarks and then proceed to complain when it turns into what you baited it to turn into.

Just have a little self awareness and complain less about the same stuff you also do, that's all.

[strato]

22 minutes ago, Icege said:

Hoo boy, them hit dogs are hating!

See the player has not been up in here insulting people that disagree with him. You have. I don’t hate you I am sure you have some good qualities but this personalizing disagreement over a player, I have had enough of it. 
The leaving the poo thing on someone’s post and shading people for speaking about a player - not speaking about you but a player, and you make it personal. You are by far not the only one but you have been the flag bearer for that stuff lately. Put me on ignore. 

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