New York Times: Is Panthers QB Bryce Young a Lost Cause

[DeAngelo Beason]

19 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

Dave Canales was always going to be a lottery ticket.  Odds are against success but there was a small, tiny, itty bitty chance it could pay out.

At this point he’s the crumpled scratchy lotto ticket you find in the parking lot.

The thing is, there's not a part of the organization that isn't.  Would you rather buy a trailer park full of mobile homes that are about to disintegrate, or just build a few new houses?  Sure, you won't make money while you're building the new houses, but the long term payoff is going to be much, much better.  Same exact situation.  Canales was forced to keep a bunch of mobile homes instead of being allowed to build new ones . 

Now he might suck at building, but we can never know unless he is given the opportunity.  I'm not saying he's done a good job or a bad job.  He hasn't been allowed to do a job period.

[MRenshaw]

22 hours ago, bandu said:

thats all Tepper really wants more than anything else is to be is right about the Qb he played a huge role in trading up to #1 overall & selecting in Bryce Young .& he obviously does not care how many seasons he has to waste in an attempt to prove that he was righ.so yes its more about being right than winning with Tepper & that's why I talk so much about his ego when I talk about Tepper 

Tepper and Bryce fans have much in common. 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Cam Newton, Jordan Gross, Ryan Kalil, Jon Beason/Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, most of the entire defensive line, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Jonathan Stewart, and Deangelo Williams are all obscenely more talented than their counterparts on this roster.... oh, and Rivera didn't have a sociopath owner of the team.

 

"Heights" meaning one more win???  

Panthers offensive line is probably better today that it was in 2011, unless you’ve got some wrong opinions about Byron bell you want to share. Thomas Davis played two games that year. Jon Beason played 1. Not much difference between the running backs if we’re being honest, probably a little better in 2011. You didn’t even name a defensive lineman, probably because Fua and McClain didn’t stand the test of time. Charles Johnson is who you could have named. Doesn’t matter because brown is the best player between both units. Less said about Greg hardy the better  

the biggest differences were cam, smith, and Olsen. And even with smith being the best WR, that 2011 team was also trotting out legadu nanee  

you called the 2011 team “infinitely” more talented and included two players that suited up in three games between them. Not sure you know what you’re talking about. 

and yeah, six wins (in a 17 game season no less) is probably a great height for DC. 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

How do you or I know who he can or can't call up?  That question doesn't even make sense.  Of course he has relationships.  

which is that coach has not been permitted to build his own operation.  

If you're arguing for him to pick a defensive coordinator it's completely reasonable to ask where that coach might come from, especially since he doesn't even have roster control over half his team right now, and he would have known that when he agreed to the job. So either he was told "you don't get to pick the DC" and was fine with that, or he asked to keep Evero after that hideous year in 2023. In the NFL you build personal relationships and that's who you end up hiring. Dave has spent most of his career as a low level offensive staff member on two teams with older coaches who ran the whole defense on their own. Plus, no one in their right mind is going to take this coordinator job after Tepper refused to let Evero leave. 

But let me ask this a different way; what has DC done that makes you think he should be allowed to pick a defensive coordinator

As far as his own operation, this is what he signed up for. I'm not very excited for the guy who agreed to only run half a team suddenly getting to run the rest of it, especially since he's spent most of his tenure fielding one of the worst units in the NFL

[L-TownCat]

3 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

The thing is, there's not a part of the organization that isn't.  Would you rather buy a trailer park full of mobile homes that are about to disintegrate, or just build a few new houses?  Sure, you won't make money while you're building the new houses, but the long term payoff is going to be much, much better.  Same exact situation.  Canales was forced to keep a bunch of mobile homes instead of being allowed to build new ones . 

Now he might suck at building, but we can never know unless he is given the opportunity.  I'm not saying he's done a good job or a bad job.  He hasn't been allowed to do a job period.

I wasn’t really commenting on if he is good/bad.  I’m saying that whatever small chance there was for him to succeed the way things are is gone.

As far as your point goes, I agree.  If he is to be judged at all, he should be allowed to build it how he wants with the people he wants.

[Shocker]

We will trade him and he’ll become serviceable elsewhere at least as a backup.  Meanwhile we will pick someone worse because management has no clue how to choose QBs 

Edited 1 hour ago by Shocker

[DeAngelo Beason]

21 hours ago, electro's horse said:

 

But let me ask this a different way; what has DC done that makes you think he should be allowed to pick a defensive coordinator

 

Being the head coach of the team is the only qualification one needs to have this right.  The questions is nonsensical.  Coaches get their own staff.  Yes, he accepted the job, but you're badly glossing over the entire point, which is that the biggest standout losers and failures on the team are guys that were here before he showed up, and as far as we can tell he's not been permitted to change things

[DeAngelo Beason]

22 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Panthers offensive line is probably better today that it was in 2011, unless you’ve got some wrong opinions about Byron bell you want to share. Thomas Davis played two games that year. Jon Beason played 1. Not much difference between the running backs if we’re being honest, probably a little better in 2011. You didn’t even name a defensive lineman, probably because Fua and McClain didn’t stand the test of time. Charles Johnson is who you could have named. Doesn’t matter because brown is the best player between both units. Less said about Greg hardy the better  

the biggest differences were cam, smith, and Olsen. And even with smith being the best WR, that 2011 team was also trotting out legadu nanee  

you called the 2011 team “infinitely” more talented and included two players that suited up in three games between them. Not sure you know what you’re talking about. 

and yeah, six wins (in a 17 game season no less) is probably a great height for DC. 

There's a two year period we are discussing, not one year.  You're just (conveniently) picking and choosing the worst players from those two years.  The overall roster was far superior.  It's not even close.  Especially at the (by far) most important position, which is QB.

[mav1234]

22 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Panthers offensive line is probably better today that it was in 2011, unless you’ve got some wrong opinions about Byron bell you want to share. Thomas Davis played two games that year. Jon Beason played 1. Not much difference between the running backs if we’re being honest, probably a little better in 2011. You didn’t even name a defensive lineman, probably because Fua and McClain didn’t stand the test of time. Charles Johnson is who you could have named. Doesn’t matter because brown is the best player between both units. Less said about Greg hardy the better  

the biggest differences were cam, smith, and Olsen. And even with smith being the best WR, that 2011 team was also trotting out legadu nanee  

you called the 2011 team “infinitely” more talented and included two players that suited up in three games between them. Not sure you know what you’re talking about. 

and yeah, six wins (in a 17 game season no less) is probably a great height for DC. 

I do think overall 2011 had more talent but that is mainly due to the non-OL offensive personnel's and the overall depth on D being a little better (not saying much).

But it isn't some HUGE gap (outside the elephant in the room lol). This team could turn it around with a few (albeit major) changes and acquisitions.

Edited 51 minutes ago by mav1234