You know what's worse about the QB situation?

[fanpanther]

the panthers wanted 0 competition for bryce.  but at this point would prrfer to see an udfa qb

[TD alt]

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I liked Sanders field reading abilities in general but his ceiling is fairly low and his shenanigans as a pro are, quite frankly, bizarre. 

I don't think he is doing himself any favors by being a distraction while also being buried on the depth chart. Don't get me wrong, the media would attempt to make him a distraction regardless but it's not smart to feed into it when you aren't having a role at all.

This can also be said of XL, BTW. We are no stranger to this.

It's a lot easier to excuse Cam dressing like a deleted scene Harry Potter character at press conferences when he is looking like a man among boys on the football field. 

I mean, he really hasn't done all that much to be a distraction. Has he been perfect? No. But he hasn't done much. Really. When I started researching it, I was expecting all this "stuff," but the worse thing that he has done, which is not directly related to football (so not really what we are talking about) is speeding. As far as football-related antics, there's not a whole lot there since he's become a pro. A lot of it is just speculation (like Rex Ryan's recent criticism) that may be based upon something or nothing at all.

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[mrcompletely11]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's talking about this year's draft as in the guys who are currently rookies, not next year's draft.

My bad

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Now this I can argue against.. if we talking backup I think Bryce will have a nice long NFL career... He doesn't make a ton of bad reads.. he is mobile.. I think he can not lose you games if you have the table set for him.. but the ability to make those around him better elevate a bad offense mask bad players like say cam going to the super bowl with Bryon bell and philly brown.. no doesn't have that. 

He might carve out a long career as a backup but not as a top backup. I would bet a lot of money you'll never see Bryce have a game like Mac Jones had on Thursday night. Plenty of guys carve out long careers by being decent enough while being great teammates. I think that's the path Bryce is staring down.

[raleigh-panther]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Top 6? I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think Bryce has the potential to become a top 6 backup.

Yep

Time to cut bait

 

[TD alt]

9 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

the panthers wanted 0 competition for bryce.  but at this point would prrfer to see an udfa qb

Well for me, that's the worst thing. We had an opportunity to bring in Daniel Jones or a Mac Jones (for example), and we didn't even do it. We probably would've fúcked it up, but still. Fitterer is gone. Ron is gone. We need to get to a point where "competition" is more than rhetoric. We need to stop giving vets undue preferential treatment, stop draft position bias, and just play the better players. 

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[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

My bad

I'm worried about next year's QB crop but I'm not in panic mode about it yet. There's still time for some guys to stand out.

[micnificent28]

I think highly reguarded QBs or prospects in general who fall for character concerns or even maybe injury worrys at a certain point are like value bargain bin sales.. to many examples.. Tunsil and his bong thing.. all pro.. Tavondre sweat the Texas defensive tackle who was a brick wall fell to the second round and his been a stud.. Payton wilson for the love of God we to Wallace over him.. and watching potential top 6 pick will johnson who was projected to us at certain points fall to the second round and we just said ihey rather have nic scorton (made we would have had to give up what a 5 or worse to move up 2-3 spots) is criminal.

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[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm worried about next year's QB crop but I'm not in panic mode about it yet. There's still time for some guys to stand out.

I think sellers is a dude.. 

[kungfoodude]

24 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Now this I can argue against.. if we talking backup I think Bryce will have a nice long NFL career... He doesn't make a ton of bad reads.. he is mobile.. I think he can not lose you games if you have the table set for him.. but the ability to make those around him better elevate a bad offense mask bad players like say cam going to the super bowl with Bryon bell and philly brown.. no doesn't have that. 

I mean....Bryce has to be a 4.8 40 at best. His mobility is pretty limited FOR a guy of his size, TBH. Russell and Kyler were 4.5-4.6 guys. 

I also question his field reading abilities. I don't think you accidentally end up with a 60% career completion percentage with an extremely low YPA average. 

Bryce ain't completely the problem but he is far from NOT being the issue either.

[kungfoodude]

25 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I mean, he really hasn't done all that much to be a distraction. Has he been perfect? No. But he hasn't done much. Really. When I started researching it, I was expecting all this "stuff," but the worse thing that he has done, which is not directly related to football (so not really what we are talking about) is speeding. As far as football-related antics, there's not a whole lot there since he's become a pro. A lot of it is just speculation (like Rex Ryan's recent criticism) that may be based upon something or nothing at all.

More like the miming responses to questions when he was being asked about Gabriel starting. It's funny but it's also a little childish and immature. Just be bland and generic in those "gotcha" attempts. Don't make it more of a thing because they are actively trying to make it a thing.

He has been a sideshow due to his actions(draft party, pre-draft team interviews, etc) but the media WANTS this to be a distraction so you have to be savvy enough to recognize this and avoid it. 

I was a huge Deion fan but Deion got to be Deion because of what he did on the field. Maybe chill on the public interactions like that until you make the name. Then be as much your true self as you want to be.

Until that happens, it just opens you up for a ton of criticism. Rightly or wrongly, it's just part of the game.

[SmokinwithWilly]

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm worried about next year's QB crop but I'm not in panic mode about it yet. There's still time for some guys to stand out.

I think we need to stop worrying so much about finding another immediate starter. Whoever we draft we need to do this the right way. 1st year, clipboard unless an injury dictates otherwise. We've seen time and time again how much better these guys do just having a year to get acclimated to the NFL game and climate. 

My thought for next year. Find a FA QB to run DC'S system because I think you have to give him year 3 for any possible future hires to even remotely consider Carolina. Then if DC shows serious improvement as a HC, let him draft a QB that meets his criteria, use the bridge while his carries the clipboard, and in the meantime, spend some capitol on defense, and get rolling.

If DC doesnt work in year 3, show him and Morgan the door, clean the whole damn house out of rats, and build this place the right way from the top, starting by locking Dave and Nicole in a luxury resort in Luxembourg, the French Riviera, or in some Buddhist monastery. Just keep them away from daily operations and leave me the checkbook. 

Edited 4 hours ago by SmokinwithWilly

[kungfoodude]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He might carve out a long career as a backup but not as a top backup. I would bet a lot of money you'll never see Bryce have a game like Mac Jones had on Thursday night. Plenty of guys carve out long careers by being decent enough while being great teammates. I think that's the path Bryce is staring down.

Mac Jones is piling up evidence of both Shanahan making QB's look better than they actually are and also that Purdy contract was probably ultimately unnecessary.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I think we need to stop worrying so much about finding another immediate starter. Whoever we draft we need to do this the right way. 1st year, clipboard unless an injury dictates otherwise. We've seen time and time again how much better these guys do just having a year to get acclimated to the NFL game and climate. 

My thought for next year. Find a FA QB to run DR'S system because I think you have to give him year 3 for any possible future hires to even remotely consider Carolina. Then if DC shows serious improvement as a HC, let him draft a QB that meets his criteria, use the bridge while his carries the clipboard, and in the meantime, spend some capitol on defense, and get rolling.

If DC doesnt work in year 3, show him and Morgan the door, clean the whole damn house out of rats, and build this place the right way from the top, starting by locking Dave and Nicole in a luxury resort in Luxembourg, the French Riviera, or in some Buddhist monastery. Just keep them away from daily operations and leave me the checkbook. 

I don't think there is a set rule about when to start a young QB. Some are ready early, some need some time to learn and some just never get there. 

I keep beating this horse to death but I firmly am in the camp that it isn't how we are or aren't developing anyone,  it's that we don't have any fuging clue how to pick guys that CAN develop in the first place.