The Dowdle Mirage - Play Calling Problems

[dpm0409]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Being happy about a win isn't giving up on them, but when people say things like, "we should just be happy after a win given how bad we've been the last 10 years", that's being happy regardless of how we looked because we don't get a lot of wins, which is straight up loser mentality.

And that's my point, 95% of the people happy about this win are also saying those kind of things.

I'm not upset that we won, I'm upset that we still didn't look good in key areas, namely play calling, if you can't see the difference between those things, then that's a you problem, not a me problem.

This win does NOTHING for us into the future, which is why it's hard for me to get exited over a win against another horrible team where we still didn't look good outside of a few big runs by Rico.  Trust me, if we turned some corner and looked great with Canales calling a great game to keep the Dolphins guessing wrong all day, then yea, I'd be on here celebrating it up, but that's not close to what happened.

Let me clear things up for you:

1.) I enjoy every win....regardless of circumstances.

2.) I've already conceded we have plenty of issues to solve in a previous post.  I have zero issues seeing that.

3.) Fans are allowed to join a win.

[tukafan21]

28 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

It may not happen for a while. Really. It sure won't overnight. 

In the meantime, you can just constantly torture yourself with the overpowering angst and disgust for the team until it miraculously changes or not. Or you can get what enjoyment you can out of wins when they happen, if for no other thing than they lighten the load even for a moment, or perhaps go find a team that more fits your desired results. I mean, honestly, this is about you enjoying your life. If looking back over the last 30 years doesn't give you some at least moments of pride, then, well, you should know by now that it might be time to leave a relationship that's pretty abusive to you and your needs.

Best of the world to you, either way.

The irony here is interesting

You say the change won't happen overnight, so you're good with enjoying the wins despite not showing actual improvement.

You're right, it's not going to change overnight, which is why so many of us are rooting for seeing improvement right now over bad wins right now, because you have to start somewhere if you ever hope to improve.

Winning ugly doesn't help us in the future, but showing improvement would

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

Let me clear things up for you:

1.) I enjoy every win....regardless of circumstances.

2.) I've already conceded we have plenty of issues to solve in a previous post.  I have zero issues seeing that.

3.) Fans are allowed to join a win.

That's fair, but I've also never said you can't enjoy a win, there is a big difference between enjoying a win and sticking your head in the sand about our issues, which is what so many who are "just enjoying the win because of how bad we've been lately" are doing.

You can enjoy a win while also seeing the realities, and if you're a fan who can just enjoy those wins, more power to you.  But I'd prefer to see improvement over bad wins, and sure, I'd rather see wins and improvement in the same game, but if that's not an option, give me improvement in a loss over frustration in a win.

I genuinely don't understand why that's a controversial take, as I'm literally rooting for the thing that will help us contend faster, even if that won't be very fast.

Edited 3 hours ago by tukafan21

[dpm0409]

You're saying you'd rather see us lose while showing improvements vs. win games....that's not the goal nor the recipe for contending faster.  If it were, we'd have won the damn Superbowl by now.....come on.

[tukafan21]

12 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

You're saying you'd rather see us lose while showing improvements vs. win games....that's not the goal nor the recipe for contending faster.  If it were, we'd have won the damn Superbowl by now.....come on.

What?!?!?!

Yes it absolutely is, you're never going to get to contention if you never improve.

Winning 5-6 games a year because the other team was worse (not because you were better) does you no good in becoming a contending team, but improving as a coaching staff and as players 100% helps move the needle towards reaching a contending status.

I used this example all offseason, but just look back at the Lions like 5 years ago.  They kept losing, but were showing improvement in doing so, they went from I think (not looking it up) a 3 win team, to a 6 or 7 win team, to playing in the NFC Championship game in a span of 3 years.

They did it because in those 3 and 6/7 win seasons, they were showing improvement even in their losses, they weren't squeaking by in their wins while still looking terrible in key areas of the game.

THAT is what I'm asking for and why I'd rather see improvement over ugly wins, they are the literal example of what I'm looking for and now they're a true SB contender after picking 2nd in the 2022 draft.

And beyond all of that, your example of "we'd have won the SB right now" is also just nonsense that proves my point.  Because we haven't improved for years despite winning a handful of games each year because the other team was worse than we were.

So why haven't we actually gotten better in all that time yet when we've been winning games ugly instead of losing games while showing improvement?

You're literally proving yourself wrong with this post.

Edited 2 hours ago by tukafan21

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, dpm0409 said:

You're saying you'd rather see us lose while showing improvements vs. win games....that's not the goal nor the recipe for contending faster.  If it were, we'd have won the damn Superbowl by now.....come on.

Quality of win matters. An example of absurdity. Would the team be more improved winning an entire season facing off against high school teams or losing against NFL teams. The answer is obvious. NFL teams would require more innovation, more ingenuity, more preparation, more work. That's why losing but improving your quality is more important than just winning without necessarily improving. 

[dpm0409]

Die on this hill if you want.....but I wholeheartedly disagree with about 95% of what you're preaching.  I'm perfectly fine agreeing to disagree.

[Khyber53]

3 hours ago, dpm0409 said:

This is the exact message I've been trying to get through to some on here that are simply insufferable.  Well said. 

I've been here for a loooong time and been through this a lot. And I write a bit on the side, too.