The Dowdle Mirage - Play Calling Problems

[tukafan21]

39 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

We won the game man..."flawed" wins still count the same as "perfect" wins no?

If you've reached a point of preferring the team to lose vs. win.....as long as what you saw on the field constitutes 'improvement' in your mind....that's a problem.  It likely means your happiness and well being is a bit too intertwined with a game that you have zero control over.  Just not healthy, but hey that's just my take. 

I'll acknowledge that everyone's perception is their own reality and you're entitled to your opinions.  I just personally choose to focus on positives.  Being down 17-0 and coming back to win shouldn't be downplayed.  That isn't an easy thing to do in the NFL.  It can really boost the morale of a locker room.

 

12 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

It's less about sweeping negatives under the rug and more about allowing yourself to be happy and enjoy a win.

And complete transparency here, I've been speaking on the mentality that a fan should have.  Now if you're actually employed by the organization, in any capacity, you better be looking at all your problems and constantly striving to improve.  That should go without saying.

When fans are salty after a 17 point comeback win and a 200+ yard rusher...those folks just won't ever be happy.

But this is my exact point, aren't you sick of just being happy over a win because we get them so infrequently?  Don't you want to finally start to be competitive every week and be in the playoff hunt again?

If just getting a win makes you happy, then I feel bad for you, because it means you've completely given up on the franchise ever being decent again and you're good with a handful of wins each year.

When the season is over and we go 6-11 again, do you really still feel all good and fuzzy inside because of those few wins we got because the other team poo the bed worse than we did that week?  Do those bad wins really then help you get excited for the next season?

I said this exact same stuff before the season even stared, that I didn't care if we won or lost games this year as long as we showed marked improvement in a variety of areas.  Because doing THAT would be what helps move us towards being a competitive franchise again, not seeking out wins while we still show the same problems that have plagued us for years, such as poor play calling.

And that's VERY different than what you said in that first post, about "preferring to lose", as of course I'd rather also win those games as that shows even more improvement.  But if you're going to put two options in front of me, win a game we show the same problems or lose a game where we show marked improvement, I'm taking the loss there every time because the improvement is a better sign for the long term outlook for the franchise that showing the same problems yet again.

[dpm0409]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

I look at that like small picture/big picture. In tne small picture I enjoy the wins. Everything feels better when you win. 
 

In the big picture, you want more wins you have to address what might be in the way of that. I am sort a perfectionist and it comes easy to me. Naturally I guess. I want to improve stuff. 

Completely feel you on the perfectionist angle b/c I'm the same way here.  However, I only let that bother me when it pertains to things within my direct control.

I've been a big sports fan my entire life, but several years back, I came to the realization that if your team loses and it completely ruins your day....well that's just not worth it. 

Now, apparently we have people who are pissed off even after we win a game!  That's just laughable to me and tells me they're too focused and invested in things they cannot control.  I want the Panthers to win too....which they haven't done much in recent years, so I'm going to take the opportunity to enjoy it.  Being a glass half empty type of person will never do you any favors.

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

It's less about sweeping negatives under the rug and more about allowing yourself to be happy and enjoy a win.

And complete transparency here, I've been speaking on the mentality that a fan should have.  Now if you're actually employed by the organization, in any capacity, you better be looking at all your problems and constantly striving to improve.  That should go without saying.

When fans are salty after a 17 point comeback win and a 200+ yard rusher...those folks just won't ever be happy.

Its not about being salty after a 17 point comeback and a 200 yard rusher. Those things are great and aren't to be overlooked. Its looking at the overall picture and asking yourself, where those a great individual effort on Rico's part? Yes. Did DC have an amazing game plan that created those opportunities? Meh. Rico broke a lot of tackles and did some hard nose running and there was some piss poor tackling as well.

Did Bryce put it a herculean effort and really put this team on his back and carry them to victory? I dont think so. He had 2 turnovers and played OK for the 2nd half. Nothing that makes me say thats the guy thats gonna lead our team for the next decade. 

Looking at our defense. Adjustments were made, Evero did well shutting down Achane who is a good RB. We had a good defensive game with a few mistakes here and there. 

Im 3 decades into being a Panther fan. Wins like this don't do much for me. We beat a bad team. We haven't had back to back winning seasons ever. We haven't had a winning season in 8 years. Our FO and coaching staff has a lot to prove. So no, Im not going to get exited about a win over a team thats likely going to end up with a top 3 pick or a QB that imploded. Ill get excited about a winning season or clear visible progress even if we lose every game. Things that show this team is actually moving in the right direction and implementing the things that will produce a winning product year in and year out.  Until then. Who cares about beating a division rival on our way to another top 10 draft pick and a 5-12 season. Yay. We still suck balls. But we got a moral victory. That poo is for losers. 

Im tired of the Panthers and their fans being perennial losers. 

[dpm0409]

We didn't get a "moral victory".  We got an actual victory. 

[Khyber53]

A win, no matter what always beats a loss.

fug it if that bothers you.

Can we win again this weekend? Who knows, we'll have to tune in and see. And if we do, maybe the team is changing its narrative on the fly. And maybe it will change our own narratives, too. Wouldn't it be something to see a cultural and capabilities change in the Panthers? 

And on the Huddle.

We've all suffered for too long here with nothing to believe in. So let's just enjoy the win we had and look forward, even with squinting, disbelieving eyes to the next week.

It's all we've got. The real world might take that away from us in due time, but fug man, let's not take it away from ourselves before they make us give it up.

 

[dpm0409]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

 

But this is my exact point, aren't you sick of just being happy over a win because we get them so infrequently?  Don't you want to finally start to be competitive every week and be in the playoff hunt again?

If just getting a win makes you happy, then I feel bad for you, because it means you've completely given up on the franchise ever being decent again and you're good with a handful of wins each year.

 

Yes, of course I want the team to be competitive week in and out.

In what world does being happy about our team winning a game = completely giving up on the franchise?  That makes no sense.

[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

Yes, of course I want the team to be competitive week in and out.

In what world does being happy about our team winning a game = completely giving up on the franchise?  That makes no sense.

Being happy about a win isn't giving up on them, but when people say things like, "we should just be happy after a win given how bad we've been the last 10 years", that's being happy regardless of how we looked because we don't get a lot of wins, which is straight up loser mentality.

And that's my point, 95% of the people happy about this win are also saying those kind of things.

I'm not upset that we won, I'm upset that we still didn't look good in key areas, namely play calling, if you can't see the difference between those things, then that's a you problem, not a me problem.

This win does NOTHING for us into the future, which is why it's hard for me to get exited over a win against another horrible team where we still didn't look good outside of a few big runs by Rico.  Trust me, if we turned some corner and looked great with Canales calling a great game to keep the Dolphins guessing wrong all day, then yea, I'd be on here celebrating it up, but that's not close to what happened.

[csx]

Its interesting to discuss but don't pretend the state of the team has anything to do with fans enjoying a win instead of acting like they are solving anything 

Edited 3 hours ago by csx

[SmokinwithWilly]

49 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

A win, no matter what always beats a loss.

fug it if that bothers you.

Can we win again this weekend? Who knows, we'll have to tune in and see. And if we do, maybe the team is changing its narrative on the fly. And maybe it will change our own narratives, too. Wouldn't it be something to see a cultural and capabilities change in the Panthers? 

And on the Huddle.

We've all suffered for too long here with nothing to believe in. So let's just enjoy the win we had and look forward, even with squinting, disbelieving eyes to the next week.

It's all we've got. The real world might take that away from us in due time, but fug man, let's not take it away from ourselves before they make us give it up.

 

I hope the culture is changing. I seriously hope it does. But after 3 decades, I need more than a win. I need more than a season. I need seasons. I need to see the culture shift. We've had wins here and there, but ultimately, they haven't led to winning. As a fan, after this long. I want more. 

So if for you as a fan, getting a win is a cause to celebrate in the moment, more power to you. I'm past the moment now. I've moved on to big picture. 

[strato]

I don’t think anyone is Upset because it was a win.
Whoever is hardcore tank ‘for the high pick, wouldn’t be really happy. And I get that.

I want a high pick because I don’t view the team as a playoff team so the best outcome for the future and not today’s gratification, is get the highest pick. 
Yet I still enjoy not losing. 

That said I haven’t looked forward to a win with true enthusiasm for 7 or 8 years at least and the last few years I expect a loss. I have numbed that part of my brain 

[Khyber53]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I hope the culture is changing. I seriously hope it does. But after 3 decades, I need more than a win. I need more than a season. I need seasons. I need to see the culture shift. We've had wins here and there, but ultimately, they haven't led to winning. As a fan, after this long. I want more. 

So if for you as a fan, getting a win is a cause to celebrate in the moment, more power to you. I'm past the moment now. I've moved on to big picture. 

It may not happen for a while. Really. It sure won't overnight. 

In the meantime, you can just constantly torture yourself with the overpowering angst and disgust for the team until it miraculously changes or not. Or you can get what enjoyment you can out of wins when they happen, if for no other thing than they lighten the load even for a moment, or perhaps go find a team that more fits your desired results. I mean, honestly, this is about you enjoying your life. If looking back over the last 30 years doesn't give you some at least moments of pride, then, well, you should know by now that it might be time to leave a relationship that's pretty abusive to you and your needs.

Best of the world to you, either way.

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

I don’t think anyone is Upset because it was a win.
Whoever is hardcore tank ‘for the high pick, wouldn’t be really happy. And I get that.

I want a high pick because I don’t view the team as a playoff team so the best outcome for the future and not today’s gratification, is get the highest pick. 
Yet I still enjoy not losing. 

That said I haven’t looked forward to a win with true enthusiasm for 7 or 8 years at least and the last few years I expect a loss. I have numbed that part of my brain 

My enthusiasm in this team has waned to the point that any win automatically generates a response of, oh look they managed to not get embarrassed again. Its more of a relief than a celebration. 

[dpm0409]

16 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

It may not happen for a while. Really. It sure won't overnight. 

In the meantime, you can just constantly torture yourself with the overpowering angst and disgust for the team until it miraculously changes or not. Or you can get what enjoyment you can out of wins when they happen, if for no other thing than they lighten the load even for a moment, or perhaps go find a team that more fits your desired results. I mean, honestly, this is about you enjoying your life. If looking back over the last 30 years doesn't give you some at least moments of pride, then, well, you should know by now that it might be time to leave a relationship that's pretty abusive to you and your needs.

Best of the world to you, either way.

This is the exact message I've been trying to get through to some on here that are simply insufferable.  Well said. 

[Panthera onca]

Tuka gonna die on the hill he built lol