The Bryce Young "Game Winning Drive" narrative needs to end

[d-dave]

Look, no one is ever a perfect player.  Since the QB handles the ball on 100% of plays offensively (unless there's a direct snap to a RB or something), I can absolutely see where they get an outsized blame and gain from what happens at any given snap of a football game.  

Theoretically, there shouldn't even be a stat or idea to a 4th quarter comeback or game winning drive because you should already have done that during the game.  Losers!  Right?  Just because you win late doesn't take away the fact you tried to lose the game for your team!

I'm not a fan of that opinion, but again, I'm just a moron with a keyboard.  

Bryce has limited tools.  Bryce has not inspired the same level of confidence in us as Cam Newton did in year 3.  I certainly get that.  We traded a TON of assets to get Bryce, and we still suck.  (I mean, since we've lost games, we're losers right?) I completely understand that some fans are just unhappy with a limited QB and a team that isn't performing well, unless the other teams are worse losers than we are.

I will say this:  Bryce will fight until the end.  Sure, he's has some real loser football.   But in close games, he's doing his best to comeback (even against a winner of prevent D). Now is it better or worse if your QB plays their best ball in the first half and sucks 2nd half so long as they finish with 300 yards, 3 TDs for your fantasy points?

Who said stats are for winners anyway?  The Panthers and Bryce has a long way to go.  I'm enjoying the winning right now.  Though I do start each game thinking "how will we fug this up today?" Because it's been such a poo show in the Tepper era.  Will he prove to be a legit starting NFL QB?  Maybe not here as evidence by our record with QBs who were high draft picks.  

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

Ive never liked the term game winning drives because they include games where the QB was part of or was the reason the team was behind in the first place. Ive been arguing against this stat since the Delhomme years. It should only count when the QB is out of the equation of reasons why the team fell behind in the first place and is at least half the reason why he led the last drive to give them a lead. It shouldnt count if they just hand it off most of the time and the RB is on fire and they go down and score a TD or FG.

It's a team effort.  The team stayed close enough to be in a position to have a GWD.  If you are behind in a game, then there is most likely a couple of turnovers that put you in that position.  If you team wins the game with a GWD it should be counted as a GWD.  PERIOD

[KillerKat]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

It's a team effort.  The team stayed close enough to be in a position to have a GWD.  If you are behind in a game, then there is most likely a couple of turnovers that put you in that position.  If you team wins the game with a GWD it should be counted as a GWD.  PERIOD

As a team stat, I would be fine with.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Just now, KillerKat said:

As a team stat, I would be fine with.

Then just abolish the entire stat.  Every other QB in this league that gets one is heralded a star yet when Bryce does it, it's luck or it's not because of him.  

The bottom line he's the QB of record.  He normally gets all the blame when we lose even if you defense couldn't stop a 3 yr old. He should get the credit when as the player that touches every single snap (unless there is a trick play).  He follows the game plan and executes the plays that are given to him by our OC. Everyone wants to make it as if he calls the plays.  HE DOESN'T but he does execute what was called.  He the QB of record, he gets the credit when we score on a GWD.  

[KillerKat]

4 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Then just abolish the entire stat. 

Yes

[DaveThePanther2008]

Just now, KillerKat said:

Yes

But since they won't.  Young gets the credit just like every other QB in the league.

[KillerKat]

1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

But since they won't.  Young gets the credit just like every other QB in the league.

And it will continue to be debated. Its so dumb.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Honestly, I think they should refine that definition.  It shouldn't be a GWD in the beginning of the 4th Qtr.  The definition should be winning the game on the teams last possession.  

[PootieNunu]

Give him his GWD Stat he still has to deal with this

He will need to continue to win games if he wants another season guaranteed as the starter. 

Edited 5 hours ago by PootieNunu

[DaveThePanther2008]

Just now, KillerKat said:

And it will continue to be debated. Its so dumb.

And that what makes the Huddle the Huddle.  Every thing is debated here from uniforms to GWDs. 

[KillerKat]

Just now, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Honestly, I think they should refine that definition.  It shouldn't be a GWD in the beginning of the 4th Qtr.  The definition should be winning the game on the teams last possession.  

Thats basically what I said, I just added more specifics. 

In the end, the stat is just one of those stats for people that cant make judgments based on what is in front of them.

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

Thats basically what I said, I just added more specifics. 

In the end, the stat is just one of those stats for people that cant make judgments based on what is in front of them.

the NFL loves their stats.  

Have you seen baseball yet?  Their stats are through the roof.  

[JawnyBlaze]

11 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

So much effort to dismiss the play of 1 man.  

In the history of this franchise,  I jave never seen this much effort to dismiss the impact of any player. 

I know that’s not true because I remember you were around for the Cam days. Cam had more hate and was infinitely more impactful. 

[Luciu5]

8 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I agree with OP notion, QBs always get credited for game winning drives even if they do minimal. Just last night Caleb got credited for a GE drive when they basically ran the ball the whole drive and only had to go 36 yards.

QB can only do what is asked of him.

That said, as long as W/L's are QB stats like the NFL treats them, I don't think it matters what the QB is asked to do on a game winning drive. But I don't agree that wins and losses should be treated like a QB stat like they are, but it is what it is like they say.