Trade for a QB?

[hepcat]

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I agree Tua has been better than Bryce.  But when you combine the head injuries and the fact that he has alienated 2 separate coaches?  I'm out.

Tua is not a bailout plan for Bryce, they still need to address that in the offseason. But short term with Bryce injured and Dalton being 38 and probably not able to play more than 2-3 games? Tua is a realistic option. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

41 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

This team finally managed to go from bad to mediocre and now you guys want to go back to bad because you want a worse qb that can throw a football further. Makes complete sense. 

A good QB and we would be way past mediocre. Imagine Cam with this offensive line and all the weapons Bryce has

[kungfoodude]

25 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Oh naw I’m thinking more low level, Tua is def not worth trading for, unfortunately the guys that fit the bill are already playing games for the retrospective teams, Jacoby brisset, Carson wentz, Mac jones etc 

reality is the FO most likely isn’t looking at options that would potentially usurp young’s job, otherwise there would be more options 

It's also during the season so anyone in the discussion of being substantially better than Young is not gonna be on the table without a serious asking price, most likely. If the trade deadline lasted until the end of the season, we might at least get to take advantage of some active sellers. That COULD happen by Nov. 4th still.

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, bandu said:

I think i get.your intial point ?  & edited the prior post  that the Panthers are not as good with Bryce Youngs game managing skills & conservative play calling..it has nothing really to do with his on the field production / #'s  

& yes I disagree that I do not think it makes the Panthers a better team. if anything it is holding this offense & play calling back from being much better than what it really is with Bryce Young at Qb ...just saying 

If the offense were being held back as you say then it's up to the coach to change it. I think you're seeing the offense. Its just not the kind of offense that some of you thought it would be. Maybe it's because the qb limits it maybe not. Blaming the qb all the time is lazy analysis. DC designed this offense so it's up to him to get the right guy to run it. And no I'm not blaming it on Tepper anymore. He might have insisted at the beginning of last season but that only lasted 2 games. Now it's solely on Canales. 

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How much of it is due to Bryce forcing you into a very conservative offensive gameplan though? Their TD:INT ratios are virtually identical. If you have Bryce slinging it around like Jameis you probably end up with similar turnover numbers.

Different mindset entirely. Gunslingers have the penultimate faith that they can make every throw, no matter the window nor the situation.

Bryce is definitively not that guy. If you increased his throws to 40-50/game(which he has had those games) its far more likely to just result in a bunch of 5-10 yard throws. Not testing coverages deep where you can get into more trouble.

[kungfoodude]

21 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Because there's no reason to completely discard the other 10 games we have left.  Even if we aren't winning anything, we can build on something for next year.  We won't be able to do that with Hendon Hooker after Dalton gets KO'd in 1-2 weeks.

I mean....adding Winston/Howell is utterly discarding the remaining season. They are great tank commanders but not much else.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I mean....adding Winston/Howell is utterly discarding the remaining season. They are great tank commanders but not much else.

We're going in circles.  Come on man.

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Tua has shown more in the NFL than Bryce has. His brain situation lends him to be a backup and he could definitely be a good long term backup if he's not pressed to play every week. Other than being a lefty I can't see the offense changing much with Tua under center considering Bryce has a similar skillset. 

Tua's contract situation immediately makes all Tua discussions a nonstarter. For us AND them. You would be asking them to incur an almost $100 mil dead cap charge.

 

[Jon Snow]

8 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

A good QB and we would be way past mediocre. Imagine Cam with this offensive line and all the weapons Bryce has

The key word is good. No team is going to give up a good qb. If they give one up you can bet they aren't good. We have enough not good already on the team.

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Tua's contract situation immediately makes all Tua discussions a nonstarter. For us AND them. You would be asking them to incur an almost $100 mil dead cap charge.

 

They honestly might be willing to do that to dump him. He's burned the bridge there from what it seems. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We're going in circles.  Come on man.

I don't think we will agree on this situation with those players specifically. I don't view them as winning QB's and in fact they mostly lose. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

They honestly might be willing to do that to dump him. He's burned the bridge there from what it seems. 

It's not realistic. If that were the case, a guy like Watson would already be on the street. 

You can't torpedo the future of the team for "fug this guy specifically." It's very bad business.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think we will agree on this situation with those players specifically. I don't view them as winning QB's and in fact they mostly lose. 

I agree.  They are not winning QBs.  I'm not talking about winning games.  I'm talking about having an NFL level player at QB so the last 10 games aren't a complete waste for the rest of the players.

Dalton into Hooker when Dalton inevitably ends up on IR is throwing away the last 10 games.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I agree.  They are not winning QBs.  I'm not talking about winning games.  I'm talking about having an NFL level player at QB so the last 10 games aren't a complete waste for the rest of the players.

Dalton into Hooker when Dalton inevitably ends up on IR is throwing away the last 10 games.

I don't think we would actually play Hooker but hopefully we also just don't see.

I don't view Dalton/Bryce as a worse option than Winston/Howell.

I just think we disagree on this specific subject is all.