what does the panthers record need to be / who do they need to beat to make you a believer?

[Jmac]

14 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

Split between BUF / GB and I’ll believe 

That would be a good start

[strato]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

They are getting there. They have beaten the teams they should have, so far. They should have beaten the Cards and would have if Young hadn't spotted then a couple of touchdowns in the 1st quarter.  So far his limited play has allowed others to step up and give the rest of the team enough motivation to fight on. 

Yeah. I have not been disappointed in the defense nor the offense except the lack of faith in the QB - and he has done some decent things. It isn’t all bad Just so limiting and that’s what I mean by as currently constructed. 

They have mostly beat who they were supposed to. 
I am not sure how to view the Bills. Except to not be expecting them to lose three in a row. I would say they shouldn’t be expected to beat them so if they do then they elevate into the other category of pulling an upset or two. The next step after winning those you should win. 
I am really not a greedy fan- meaningful games in late December are going to keep me engaged and basically non pissed off. 
I mean that is my bottom line expectation from the franchise on a yearly basis.  It will change in specific seasons with maybe some higher expectations but we aren’t there right now. But I can see it from here with a tweak to the defense and better QB play. 
PS - how I really feel about .500 and now .570 is we were there at the end of 2022 and threw it all away to step up - and are just now getting back there. After so much waste of assets and the improvement that could have been made with them. Super frustrating. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, strato said:

Yeah. I have not been disappointed in the defense nor the offense except the lack of faith in the QB - and he has done some decent things. It isn’t all bad Just so limiting and that’s what I mean by as currently constructed. 

They have mostly beat who they were supposed to. 
I am not sure how to view the Bills. Except to not be expecting them to lose three in a row. I would say they shouldn’t be expected to beat them so if they do then they elevate into the other category of pulling an upset or two. The next step after winning those you should win. 
I am really not a greedy fan- meaningful games in late December are going to keep me engaged and basically non pissed off. 
I mean that is my bottom line expectation from the franchise on a yearly basis.  It will change in specific seasons with maybe some higher expectations but we aren’t there right now. But I can see it from here with a tweak to the defense and better QB play. 
 

I think the only real shot they have at beating the Bills is to run the ball. Then run it some more. Run it until they have no RB left that is able to stand up. Anything short of that the Bills are not going to lose this game.

They've had extra time to study this team and they will have home field advantage in Charlotte. If Canales gets cute and tries to get into a shootout with Allen he will lose. 

[strato]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think the only real shot they have at beating the Bills is to run the ball. Then run it some more. Run it until they have no RB left that is able to stand up. Anything short of that the Bills are not going to lose this game.

They've had extra time to study this team and they will have home field advantage in Charlotte. If Canales gets cute and tries to get into a shootout with Allen he will lose. 

Yeah ageeed. We are back to Fox ball and that is dependent on this patchwork OL. Especially looking forward to seeing the old school play action game, how that works.  Because it should. 
And the defense will be tested. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think the only real shot they have at beating the Bills is to run the ball. Then run it some more. Run it until they have no RB left that is able to stand up. Anything short of that the Bills are not going to lose this game.

They've had extra time to study this team and they will have home field advantage in Charlotte. If Canales gets cute and tries to get into a shootout with Allen he will lose. 

Back to back losses and the bye week to stew over it, I don't think there is any recipe to beat them this week.

And that has basically nothing to do with my thoughts about the Panthers, I'd probably say the same thing if the Bills were playing any one of about 20-25 other teams this week in that scenario.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, strato said:

Yeah ageeed. We are back to Fox ball and that is dependent on this patchwork OL. Especially looking forward to seeing the old school play action game. 
And the defense will be tested. 

It will look different in some respects because Andy is not going to go off script. He will also take more chances because he has nothing to lose really. He's washed and he knows it but will do the best he can. I admire him for the effort however fleeting it may be. It is what it is. Sometimes miracles do happen but im not expecting one.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Back to back losses and the bye week to stew over it, I don't think there is any recipe to beat them this week.

And that has basically nothing to do with my thoughts about the Panthers, I'd probably say the same thing if the Bills were playing any one of about 20-25 other teams this week in that scenario.

Dave's only shot is to test that 31st raked run defense. Anything that keeps Allen off the field as long as they can.

[raleigh-panther]

At some point, to go forward, they  must have have a threat of a vertical game 

The lack of one  won’t get a nfl team far in 2025

unless Dalton can give them a boost, 7 and10 max wins possible

but they must address that issue in the off season

 

Edited 2 hours ago by raleigh-panther

[strato]

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It will look different in some respects because Andy is not going to go off script. He will also take more chances because he has nothing to lose really. He's washed and he knows it but will do the best he can. I admire him for the effort however fleeting it may be. It is what it is. Sometimes miracles do happen but im not expecting one.

I haven’t seen enough to know if we will get two years ago Andy. And week 3 2024 Andy was very good.  
It looks like some drop off may be in play. 
He has the experience and the eyes to compensate somewhat. (It is more OL dependent than usual considering he is not too mobile). 
As an aside, that Russell Wilson special late to Legette was how I expected t see him used with Bryce. Hasn’t happened. 

Edited 1 hour ago by strato

[Jon Snow]

Just now, strato said:

I haven’t seen enough to know if we will get two years ago Andy. And week 3 2024 Andy was very good.  
It looks like some drop off may be in play. 
He has the experience and the eyes to compensate somewhat. 
As an aside, that Russell Wilson special late to Legette was how I expected t see him used with Bryce. Hasn’t happened. 

I'm as puzzled as you are about that. Honestly, that's probably Young's only throw he's afraid to throw. He should try the Russell Wilson special out sometimes. It may just save his career. 

[Tomcatn]

18 hours ago, R0CKnR0LLA said:

The last 24 games - all of last season plus the first 7 weeks of this season - the Panthers haven't beaten a single team with a winning record.

They've had the 3rd easiest schedule in the entire league (#1 in the NFC) through 7 weeks. They've faced only 2 teams with winning records, and got absolutely stomped in both of those games.

Excuse me if I'm not ready to throw a parade cause you barely squeaked out a close win against the Jets and Dolphins of the world.

Thank you 

[tukafan21]

33 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Dave's only shot is to test that 31st raked run defense. Anything that keeps Allen off the field as long as they can.

Win coin toss.  Elect to receive.  30 minute opening drive for a score.  Recover onside kick to open 2nd Half.  30 minute drive with kneel downs to end the game.

Win.

[outlaw4]

Not until we're playing a game that matters in February. In fairness, current Bills and Ravens still haven't done that yet.

But to be more realistic, we have to be the best team in the division. Even if we had everyone back and healthy, we're not there yet.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Win coin toss.  Elect to receive.  30 minute opening drive for a score.  Recover onside kick to open 2nd Half.  30 minute drive with kneel downs to end the game.

Win.

That is pretty close to the plan. Long, time consuming drives should be the strategy. Do not get into a shootout with Josh Allen. We would be bringing a slingshot to a gunfight in that scenario.