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39 minutes ago, CRA said:

never forget, this is "entertainment" not sport. 

Yeah I'm well aware lol, but for many people, myself included, it ceases to be entertaining when the integrity of the sport comes into question. If I wanted scripted non-competitive athletics for entertainment I'd watch WWE. Which I don't, and haven't since I was a child.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't pay attention to gambling or gambling laws much so I have no idea what makes it illegal in this particular case.

Still, an active head coach and player at the same time...wow 😳

It seems to have little to do with taxes, and much to do with providing insider information related to sports betting, ie which players are injured or having other issues.  Also something about working with the Mafia and rigged poker games.  

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16 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think it just makes it worse.  There's more money in it now.  But yeah.  1919 World Series was rigged around gambling.

It's also waaaaay harder to accomplish because of technological advances. That was the benefit of being a late comer to the sport. A lot of overseas casinos have been steadilu developing technology to flag suspicious betting.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's also waaaaay harder to accomplish because of technological advances. That was the benefit of being a late comer to the sport. A lot of overseas casinos have been steadilu developing technology to flag suspicious betting.

But with all the player prop betting that goes on now, you don't need to throw the World Series.  You don't even necessarily need to affect the final outcome of the game.  It's insidious.

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I'm very interested in seeing the specifics of these cases. The term "illegal gambling" makes me think this is unrelated to typical sports betting/point shaving and related to something else on the side.

That kind of stuff worries me much less than something like we saw with Jontay Porter happening on a larger scale. I absolutely think the feds need to be keeping a much closer eye on this stuff given how much more sports betting is going on these days. I honestly don't care that much if it's a Calvin Ridley situation where a player is betting on league games that he's not playing in; I can see why that isn't allowed, but I don't think that presents a major threat to the integrity of the game on any kind of large scale.

IMO, the larger threat to sports in general isn't a large-scale organized crime operation but a bunch of smaller operations or even just individuals who are willing to do what Jontay Porter did. He was a relatively insignificant player in the grand scheme of things, but it's entirely possible we see this type of thing more and more even at the highest levels of sports.

If gambling is going to be legalized to the extent that it has been, there needs to be better regulation and a very strong set of rules in place for the sportsbooks, the bettors and for the leagues/teams themselves. I don't get the sense that is the case right now.

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3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

But with all the player prop betting that goes on now, you don't need to throw the World Series.  You don't even necessarily need to affect the final outcome of the game.  It's insidious.

Yes but this is under the assumption that most of the players are susceptible to this sort of coercing from those type of elements. I think those actual cases are rare. Plus the sportsbooks are more motivated than most to stamp it out because it loses them money.

It's just a natural side effect of having gambling at all. IMO, better for it to be legal.

Now, I do find it insanely hypocritical(but also typical) that all these sports leagues that once turned their noses up and were very high and mighty about sports gambling are so openly supporting it now that the megabucks are rolling in.

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42 minutes ago, t96 said:

Yeah I'm well aware lol, but for many people, myself included, it ceases to be entertaining when the integrity of the sport comes into question. If I wanted scripted non-competitive athletics for entertainment I'd watch WWE. Which I don't, and haven't since I was a child.

Last NBA draft was brought to you by the WWF.   100% rigged. 

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16 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm only in favor of this if they make it like cigarettes.  Shouldn't be plastered all over the presentation of the game.

Well, I feel the same way about pharmaceutical, junk/fast food and political ads. They all cause active and KNOWN harm to the populace but we are the penultimate corrupt Western country, so that's just where we are as a society.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, I feel the same way about pharmaceutical, junk/fast food and political ads. They all cause active and KNOWN harm to the populace but we are the penultimate corrupt Western country, so that's just where we are as a society.

People have to understand that the pharma ads aren't targeted toward them. They're not "ads". They're payment for favorable media treatment. Are you going to do a hit piece on big pharma if they're completely floating you financially? I think not.

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

People have to understand that the pharma ads aren't targeted toward them. They're not "ads". They're payment for favorable media treatment. Are you going to do a hit piece on big pharma if they're completely floating you financially? I think not.

They are targeted towards the populace and they have more nefarious intentions, as well. Both are true. Hence the "ask your doctor about." That’s nuts. 

Hence why in a chunk of the European countries it is illegal to have such ads.

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