Why do people think Bryce Young won this game yesterday?

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I've never contributed the W/L  record to a single player in football. Its a team sport and good players are on bad teams all the time. There's also bad players on good teams. With qb's I look at td/int ratio and that's about it. Completion percentage is effected by too many variables to rely on.

I don't look at any particular individual metric, more the bigger picture. If you're near the top of the league in most metrics you're probably playing pretty well. If you're near the bottom in most you're probably ass. The tougher ones to sort out are the guys who are a mixed bag.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, strato said:

It was a legit GWD, unlike quite a few I take issue with. This was that 2 minute, last possession, win it or go to OT on the road. 
I”ll give him that one he earned it. Even if it was a long FG. Brady beat our asses in the SB doing about the same thing after all.

But OTOH itwas basically a December type of football game where the QB was minimized. He didn’t have to perform another big part of quarterbacking, it was off the table. That is fine for that particular day but what’s gonna happen when they keep crowding gvthe LOS with defenders and he doesn’t throw it over their heads? 
We don’t want to find out, but we will if he can’t get the other part of the QB’s job together.

 

If they don't figure it out they are going to lose those games. Right now they have a real shot against teams the cannot stop Rico. But if they do then it's going to be up to Young to step up his game. I think everyone and their grandmother knows that by now.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If they don't figure it out they are going to lose those games. Right now they have a real shot against teams the cannot stop Rico. But if they do then it's going to be up to Young to step up his game. I think everyone and their grandmother knows that by now.

Opponents are going to adapt. If I'm facing the Panthers as a HC I'm telling my DC that we better not lose this game because Rico goes for 150+ and we aren't selling out against the run. We need to be playing run first D on everything but 3rd and 10+. We have to force Bryce Young to beat us with his arm. I want to see heavy fronts and stacked boxes all game long. If Rico STILL beats us then well damn, hats off.

[strato]

10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If they don't figure it out they are going to lose those games. Right now they have a real shot against teams the cannot stop Rico. But if they do then it's going to be up to Young to step up his game. I think everyone and their grandmother knows that by now.

Well yeah but we need to see it. I’d be surprised if it were this week but, divisional game so maybe. 

[Khyber53]

47 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

By that same measure though, Cam was slightly above average. 69-63-1 with Carolina. It’s a team game and I don’t think anyone who watched the entire game can say with sincerity that Bryce’s play through the entire game carried us to a win. What he did was nothing more than you’d expect from any NFL QB not named Andy Dalton. 

And sometimes, that's what you need to get the W. And we did.

And as for Cam, Cam got too much of the responsibility for the wins and the losses. They, and we the fans, put way, way much more on that man's shoulders than anyone could bear. In time, that kind of pressure breaks even Superman. We had a team built fairly well, but we used it often times like it was just the one guy. Here, we seem to be building a team again, but we as the fans are screaming for a superhuman guy at QB again. We don't have that guy and I don't think we can make him into that guy. But we do seem to be playing the game to make the most of what we have with a realistic eye to what we are working with. And for that, Canales deserves some kudos, as does Bryce for handling his role. 

 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Opponents are going to adapt. If I'm facing the Panthers as a HC I'm telling my DC that we better not lose this game because Rico goes for 150+ and we aren't selling out against the run. We need to be playing run first D on everything but 3rd and 10+. We have to force Bryce Young to beat us with his arm. I want to see heavy fronts and stacked boxes all game long. If Rico STILL beats us then well damn, hats off.

Dave's going to need an answer for 9 and 10 in the box.

[Khyber53]

51 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, I don't think an 11-25 career record is on the right side.

Not diminishing the win but he was probably not one of our ten best performers that day. His part was relatively small by starting QB standards.

Prior years don't matter right now. This season is all that matters at this moment in time.

At this moment, we are strangely, very strangely competitive. If our QB isn't the main reason behind the win, that's okay in the moment. The W matters.

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

Well yeah but we need to see it. I’d be surprised if it were this week but, divisional game so maybe. 

Our opponents need to see it more than we do. If there's no threat of going over their heads it's going to be a long day.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Prior years don't matter right now. This season is all that matters at this moment in time.

At this moment, we are strangely, very strangely competitive. If our QB isn't the main reason behind the win, that's okay in the moment. The W matters.

But you have to separate the 2 things in order to move forward.  Its okay to enjoy winning and its also okay to be critical of what is happening.  Coaches do it why cant we?   Also they have to be thinking next off season, next year all in real time.  They are applying what is working, where help is needed and how to get better and make plans for that.   I am weirdly confident that Dan and Dave are seeing what we are seeing and will adjust.

 

The wildcard however are the teppers

[Khyber53]

46 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You have to be honest though. Are we winning because of Bryce or despite Bryce? I mean, were celebrating a drive where he went 2/4 for 19 yards and a near INT and Rico ran us into FG range. That's how low the bar has gotten.

I get what you are saying. I'm just saying we made it to the win, we should have a bit of class and not dogpile on the QB because his stat line wasn't great. His stat lines weren't great for almost his entire pro career, but this time, we got a win. Give him a breather. 

The team cleared the bar. In the end, that's all that matters. Do it enough times and well, good things happen. 

We've shat the bed enough times with good-ish QB play. It's not like we've been regularly to the playoffs even with our best performing QBs over the years. Heck, Matt Stafford was a helluva QB in Detroit for a long time with nothing to show for it. Steve Bartowski was a great QB back in the day, but in 20 years of watching I saw one playoff game for the Falcons. Heck, even Dan Marino spent most of his illustrious career on a lousy Dolphins team. 

And yet, Tampa's first Superbowl ring was with the esteemed Trent Dilfer at the helm. Sometimes it goes like that. 

[Khyber53]

37 minutes ago, strato said:

Most people here did enjoy the game and the win. But the day is Tuesday and we have PFF grades and the tape is out and has been looked at and we are on to the next week. 

This is a critical stretch for the franchise, he has 8 games basically to show he has more than we have seen. At the end of that awaits a crossroads. 
It is absolutely valid to have these discussions. IMO. 

Yep, and I've said time and time again, it's up to Bryce to show us he can be the man or if he can be a career backup. Me, I think the body of work says he's going to be an excellent back up QB. But right now, we don't have anything else in the cupboard. Andy Dalton showed that he's just a dust-covered pack of cookies that was long ago emptied out.

In the end, we may be looking at drafting another QB. And well, that may be the cheapest, best option. Until then, though, here's hoping we keep stacking wins, however we do it.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Khyber53 said:

Yep, and I've said time and time again, it's up to Bryce to show us he can be the man or if he can be a career backup. Me, I think the body of work says he's going to be an excellent back up QB. But right now, we don't have anything else in the cupboard. Andy Dalton showed that he's just a dust-covered pack of cookies that was long ago emptied out.

In the end, we may be looking at drafting another QB. And well, that may be the cheapest, best option. Until then, though, here's hoping we keep stacking wins, however we do it.

Everybody outside of few posters believe as well, however due to the rookie contract set up his time is running out for him to show he can "be the man".  Hes got 8 games to go to drastically improve his play.  

[Khyber53]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

But you have to separate the 2 things in order to move forward.  Its okay to enjoy winning and its also okay to be critical of what is happening.  Coaches do it why cant we?   Also they have to be thinking next off season, next year all in real time.  They are applying what is working, where help is needed and how to get better and make plans for that.   I am weirdly confident that Dan and Dave are seeing what we are seeing and will adjust.

 

The wildcard however are the teppers

Oh I agree. I don't think we see the same QB room next season as we have this season. Dalton has reached the end of the line it appears. He's just not even got the staying power to come in for Bryce right now (talk about not setting the bar very high). I think we'll probably pick up a new QB in the draft and give Bryce the opportunity to stay on the bench here or be traded out on that fourth contract year. 

Long term, we need someone with more oomph. Bryce is tougher and more resilient than I thought he would ever be, but he needs to be able to regularly move that ball down the field more. There's no doubt about that.

[Khyber53]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Everybody outside of few posters believe as well, however due to the rookie contract set up his time is running out for him to show he can "be the man".  Hes got 8 games to go to drastically improve his play.  

Ayup. No argument here. See above.