Mike White or Hendon Hooker coming back?

[strato]

27 minutes ago, Jmac said:

How many more "ass" games do you need to see??

It is due diligence basically. Drudgery but to be thorough you have to give him the season. We have stomached it this long, what’s another few games to be 100% certain? 

Thwy have a ton invested and the only thing worse than being embarrassed by being wrong about him being good is being wrong about him being bad and him showing you up with another team. 

So I see that happening? No. But it isn’t my reputation. 

[Basbear]

Someone said after the game Mike White jersey was still hanging up after the game between BY and Dalton lockers.

Like others, there's no magic QB help this in-season, its BY or Dalton show.

 

Plus can you blame them(somewhat, but think...) everyone wants and hoped BY could build off his last 9 games. Given the investment, the hope was BY could fill the QB role for 15+ years. Morgan and Dave did not pick BY via trade up. 

They need to get to work on a total rebuild for the QB. There's nothing and they need everything-vet, starter, PS/future prospect. The free agent is headlined by bust Jones and failed 1st rounders. The draft looks meh at best too, (still a long way).... The work never ends......

[strato]

57 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

100% someone would sign him with the hope of him being their backup next year as their reclamation project, just like Darnold and Jones in recent years.

In fact, I could very well see the Vikings or 49ers sign him as a 3rd QB, or even as a PS guy because Bryce would know those guys have had a reputation of late for fixing guys with the bust label.

I know someone would sign him. They wouldn’t play him and he might not even be active.

 So fwiw do You think he could be fixed? 

Fixed implies that he is broken. I see it as this is what he is. He is not broken, just not suited for the application. 
of course I am a casual or so I am told and clueless. Can’t trust my eyes. 
I think the odds of him turning it on and keeping it on at a high level are way against that happening. 
People have been telling me I am wrong for 2.5 years and as of now it has yet to be born out. No matter what they put around him.

[Montsta]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I’m clearly no Bryce fan, but I’m not sure signing and playing guys who can’t even stay on a roster or practice squad isn’t going to alleviate your issues with watching us play 

I’m not usually a fan of bringing in Jagoff McLunchpail off the practice squad in a desperation move, but BY is THAT bad that it is time.

Jimmy Clausen on his worst day was twice the QB BY is on his best day. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Fair, but having had a more successful career to date doesn't mean we would be more likely to win games 11 through 17 this season with them as our starting QB.

We'd are able to do other things, but they still wouldn't be as good as we would be with Bryce.  There is a formula we can win with Bryce as our starter, but it requires a good running game, a good defense, and Bryce making just enough of his rare shining great plays to get us those wins.  

It sucks for us to watch as fans, and I understand the desire to see more.  But I think sticking with Bryce is what is best for the franchise long term.  It keeps the guys together as a family who is playing for each other.  That way when we move on from Bryce and maybe Canales, the new HC and QB will come into a locker room that is still together, rather one that fell apart over the last 2 months of the year because we benched Bryce for a guy off the street and still sucked.

That formula leads to success less than 30% of the time. That's not a formula I would be concerned about staying with.

[kungfoodude]

46 minutes ago, Montsta said:

I’m not usually a fan of bringing in Jagoff McLunchpail off the practice squad in a desperation move, but BY is THAT bad that it is time.

Jimmy Clausen on his worst day was twice the QB BY is on his best day. 

I think you are either forgetting how bad Pickles was or using hyperbole.

[Pantherxtreme]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Totally fair points, but I think it's being overlooked that the locker room seems to genuinely like and believe in Bryce.

You sign a guy off the street and bench Bryce for them, you're going to lose the locker room in an instant and it will cause much bigger problems moving forward than just putting up with Bryce the rest of the year.

And yes, that would be way better for T-Mac's production, but as I've said all year long, while I want to see T-Mac succeed, I'm not rooting for that over the team itself and in particular, our long term outlook.

So like I said above, I think that would be great for T-Mac's production, but terrible for the overall locker room and team morale, which would lead into an ugly offseason.  You just have to let Bryce finish out the year as it's what will keep the players engaged and caring, benching their guy is a good way to get players to quit and/or just be pissed at the organization.

If this is in Week 3 or something, it's a different scenario, but there are only 7 games left in the season, we're pot committed and just need to play out our hand at this point.

I guarantee there's no professional athlete that thinks like this. 

They're concern with feeding and taking care of their families and being the best player they can be and winning.

They have eyes and know better than most if a player is underperforming.

Being a good teammate doesn't mean undying support, everyone like Chuba he was voted a captain, the team committee still had a meeting with Canales to put Rico on the field. 

 

 

[ProcessBlue2]

2 hours ago, Jmac said:

How many more "ass" games do you need to see??

I don’t need to see any. The problem is if he plays like ass and then plays good the last 2-3 games. We are going to be stuck with him forever.

[hepcat]

7 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

You really have to ask yourself why they cut both of them and left themselves down to the two pieces of poo we currently have rostered at QB in the first place?  It is asinine.  Absolutely ridiculous.  My theory is that either or both Hooker and White make Bryce feel less secure with his role, so they chose to eliminate the distractions.  No doubt in my mind, White is a better NFL QB than Bryce - he has the tape to prove it.  Hooker is still an unknown for the most part, but I know without a doubt he has better presence and physical tools than Bryce.

The way this team has handled starting QBs since Tepper took over is ass backward. The only QB completion they had was a farce between Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. What a blessing that QB room looks like right now. 

[ProcessBlue2]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

The way this team has handled starting QBs since Tepper took over is ass backward. The only QB completion they had was a farce between Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. What a blessing that QB room looks like right now. 

Imagine the dread if you could see this comment in 2022. 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, Pantherxtreme said:

I guarantee there's no professional athlete that thinks like this. 

They're concern with feeding and taking care of their families and being the best player they can be and winning.

They have eyes and know better than most if a player is underperforming.

Being a good teammate doesn't mean undying support, everyone like Chuba he was voted a captain, the team committee still had a meeting with Canales to put Rico on the field. 

 

 

Totally different when you're talking about an RB decision, especially when one was already on the team and was a 1,000 yard rusher himself last year.

And I guarantee you are wrong, professional athletes look at their teammates like brothers and are willing to go to the mat for them when they believe in them, even more so when you're talking about a QB.  Those same eyes would see them still losing with the guy they just picked up off the street and don't know at all vs the guy they've been in the thick of it with for the last few seasons and look at as a family member.

They would understand moving on from him in the offseason, but benching him for a guy you sign off the street more than halfway through the season is entirely different.

[hepcat]

35 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Imagine the dread if you could see this comment in 2022. 

Believe me I was full in on Mayfield being garbage back then. Darnold I thought made too many mistakes but the arm talent was always there. He finally put it all together and of course it wasn’t on the Panthers

[kungfoodude]

28 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Totally different when you're talking about an RB decision, especially when one was already on the team and was a 1,000 yard rusher himself last year.

And I guarantee you are wrong, professional athletes look at their teammates like brothers and are willing to go to the mat for them when they believe in them, even more so when you're talking about a QB.  Those same eyes would see them still losing with the guy they just picked up off the street and don't know at all vs the guy they've been in the thick of it with for the last few seasons and look at as a family member.

They would understand moving on from him in the offseason, but benching him for a guy you sign off the street more than halfway through the season is entirely different.

Brother, there have been numerous times in even recent NFL history that QB changes have improved the morale of an NFL team. No one is more painfully aware of how much they can help or harm a team than a player on that team. 

Doesn't mean they have to not support them or hate them. They have the same discussioms behind closed doors and between each other as we do. They know better than anyone else.

You are not gonna see any more of a morale drop from rotating other QB's in there than you would if we keep losing with Bryce at the helm. It's the losing and lack of success that kills morale more than anything else.

[Pantherxtreme]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Totally different when you're talking about an RB decision, especially when one was already on the team and was a 1,000 yard rusher himself last year.

And I guarantee you are wrong, professional athletes look at their teammates like brothers and are willing to go to the mat for them when they believe in them, even more so when you're talking about a QB.  Those same eyes would see them still losing with the guy they just picked up off the street and don't know at all vs the guy they've been in the thick of it with for the last few seasons and look at as a family member.

They would understand moving on from him in the offseason, but benching him for a guy you sign off the street more than halfway through the season is entirely different.

Disagree.

This is professional sports, players are benched, cut, traded every season on every team.