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Downfield Disparity

Mr. Scot

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Josh Norris compares the downfield passing game from last year's down the stretch run to this year's first ten games.

So if we were able to do it with some effectiveness last year, why are we not even trying to do it this year? 🤔

Where is the disconnect?

I am not seeing that graphic. Can you upload it to the thread?

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So the advanced metrics are saying Bryce is doing really well throwing deep, with his vaunted big time throw metric at 5th in the league and his adjusted completion percentage somehow at 7th (that's some big adjustment). And people wonder why advanced metrics get questioned.

We aren't throwing deep because Bryce doesn't take the opportunities. He is struggling with his reads. Other advanced stats show that, so...

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9 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

So the advanced metrics are saying Bryce is doing really well throwing deep, with his vaunted big time throw metric at 5th in the league and his adjusted completion percentage somehow at 7th (that's some big adjustment). And people wonder why advanced metrics get questioned.

We aren't throwing deep because Bryce doesn't take the opportunities. He is struggling with his reads. Other advanced stats show that, so...

Don't really follow analytics much, but I know what I see.

I would agree, regardless of rankings, that we had a better passing game last year than we do this year. 

But if we're not even making the attempt now, is it Bryce, playcalling or something else?

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3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Unhealthy OGs. Playing other bad teams early and having effective rushing attack. Playing from behind with a really bad defense last year while the other teams were in prevent/softer D. 

Injuries on the OL would be a likely factor (Hunt is sorely missed).

They've been decent for the most part (especially on the left) but last game everything broke down.

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13 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

So the advanced metrics are saying Bryce is doing really well throwing deep, with his vaunted big time throw metric at 5th in the league and his adjusted completion percentage somehow at 7th (that's some big adjustment). And people wonder why advanced metrics get questioned.

We aren't throwing deep because Bryce doesn't take the opportunities. He is struggling with his reads. Other advanced stats show that, so...

Ding ding ding. He either reads it late, doesn't trust himself to throw with anticipation, or flat out doesn't trust himself to throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield. At the end of the day, throw it up to TMac and let him draw a flag or make a play. I'd rather see a 20+ yard arm punt than being scared on 3rd down. 

Said it in one of the previous BY threads, but his "super power" of being a high processor, if true, is his biggest enemy IMO. He gets so far in his head he doesn't trust himself to just play. He played loose at the end of last year and the return was better. Now he's playing not to lose and is scared to death he's going to mess up...leading to messing up on top of his deficiencies already. 

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2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

It took the leadership council two weeks to approve the change at running back. 

mill of the gods grinds slowly etc 

Still didn't look right last week...

I know, at least when healthy, we have a line that's much better suited to run blocking than pass blocking (wouldn't picture this crew in a typical WCO) but it sure didn't look like Canales was ready for a defensive approach that most of us have seen coming for weeks 😕

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Bryce has no confidence on there WR outside of TMac, he’s costing the team with his lack of aggression. He needs to attempt deep throws even if they don’t amount to anything, give your WR a chance to make a play.

 

And yes the pass protection is also a problem, every time we attempt play action there’s instant pressure 

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