How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

[Joe Bear]

1 hour ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Bryce going to get top 5 money from Tepper,  you just k ow it's coming..

You need to start using your head more when you post instead of just going on rage. Every time he completes a pass you say Tepper's giving him the first billion-dollar contract, and every time he throws an incompletion, you say he's the worst football player who ever lived. The middle ground in these instances is staggeringly large.

[MasterAwesome]

59 minutes ago, CRA said:

You want me to explain how Joe Flacco is present day still better than Bryce Young? 

Well, Joe Flacco and Bryce Young both played in the NFL from 2023-present day, so just looking at that window of play….Flacco has been better at almost every aspect of how we judge QB play during that window.  Plus the eyeball test bonus.  And we got Flacco rolling with 3 different teams to give a very diverse sample.  

Only Bryce Young’s mom and dad would argue Bryce has been better than ancient Flacco since being in the NFL (2023-present day). 

 

You kinda gloss over this, but this is really at the crux of this whole argument....which Flacco are we talking here?  You bring up that he played with 3 different teams but ignore the fact that his performance varied quite a bit from team to team.

2024 Colts: 65.3% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs, 220.1 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 90.5 rating

2025 Browns: 58.1% completion, 2 TDs, 6 INTs, 203.8 YPG, 5.1 Y/A, 60.3 rating

2025 Bengals: 63.4% completion, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 290.6 YPG, 6.8 Y/A, 96.2 rating

2025 Flacco (Browns + Bengals): 61.1% completion, 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 252.0 YPG, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 rating

vs. 2025 Bryce: 62.7% completion, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 196.2 YPG, 6.2 Y/A, 86.0 rating

I bolded the comparison that I think objectively makes the most sense...just simply comparing the two QBs for the entire season.  Otherwise you'd be cherry-picking Flacco's time with the Bengals and ignoring his earlier stint with the Browns, which sounds an awful lot like people cherry-picking Bryce's stats in the second half of last season.

So again, which Flacco?  Basically the only thing consistent with Flacco across each of these teams was his W/L records: 2-4, 1-3, and 1-4 respectively.  I'd say if we're comparing each version of him to Bryce this year: Colts Flacco > 2025 Bryce, Browns Flacco <<< 2025 Bryce, Bengals Flacco >> 2025 Bryce, and 2025 Flacco < 2025 Bryce - Flacco this year only beats out Bryce on YPG but in part because he throws significantly more passes (almost 60 YPG more than Bryce, despite a lower Y/A which is pretty telling) . 

Flacco is maybe the most apt case study about how important a QB's circumstances are to his success.  He was easily a bottom 3 QB in Cleveland and arguably top 10-15 in Cincinnati...and we're talking about the same player from the same season.  All that happened was taking him from one team and plopping him onto another team; nothing inherently changed about him as a QB.  Funny enough I think that's all that one dude on here was trying to say when he made that long poorly-received post after having an epiphany working for PFF behind the scenes or w/e.  That it's largely short-sighted to just try to evaluate QBs in a vacuum when there are so many variables at play that ultimately decide whether a QB is successful or not.  

I think Bryce has been mediocre at best this season and I'm ready to move on regardless of how he ends this season - I'm highly skeptical a strong end to the season will carry over into next year considering how last year ended and this year began.  I would certainly agree that he's a bottom-third QB this year.  I just don't understand you scoffing indignantly at anyone holding the opinion that Bryce has had a better season than Flacco...I can only assume it's recency bias.  Or maybe you know the stats don't support you, which is why you're conjuring up the god-forsaken arbitrary "eyeball test" which is the kinda thing people in here were saying about Fields for years, pinky promising that he really truly was a franchise QB despite his awful stats.  Perhaps it's called the eyeball test because I roll my eyes anytime I hear someone bring it up seriously as an argument.

[ForJimmy]

Not sure.  Which ones have more GWDs in the same time frame?

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

You kinda gloss over this, but this is really at the crux of this whole argument....which Flacco are we talking here?  You bring up that he played with 3 different teams but ignore the fact that his performance varied quite a bit from team to team.

2024 Colts: 65.3% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs, 220.1 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 90.5 rating

2025 Browns: 58.1% completion, 2 TDs, 6 INTs, 203.8 YPG, 5.1 Y/A, 60.3 rating

2025 Bengals: 63.4% completion, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 290.6 YPG, 6.8 Y/A, 96.2 rating

2025 Flacco (Browns + Bengals): 61.1% completion, 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 252.0 YPG, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 rating

vs. 2025 Bryce: 62.7% completion, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 196.2 YPG, 6.2 Y/A, 86.0 rating

I bolded the comparison that I think objectively makes the most sense...just simply comparing the two QBs for the entire season.  Otherwise you'd be cherry-picking Flacco's time with the Bengals and ignoring his earlier stint with the Browns, which sounds an awful lot like people cherry-picking Bryce's stats in the second half of last season.

So again, which Flacco?  Basically the only thing consistent with Flacco across each of these teams was his W/L records: 2-4, 1-3, and 1-4 respectively.  I'd say if we're comparing each version of him to Bryce this year: Colts Flacco > 2025 Bryce, Browns Flacco <<< 2025 Bryce, Bengals Flacco >> 2025 Bryce, and 2025 Flacco < 2025 Bryce - Flacco this year only beats out Bryce on YPG but in part because he throws significantly more passes (almost 60 YPG more than Bryce, despite a lower Y/A which is pretty telling) . 

Flacco is maybe the most apt case study about how important a QB's circumstances are to his success.  He was easily a bottom 3 QB in Cleveland and arguably top 10-15 in Cincinnati...and we're talking about the same player from the same season.  All that happened was taking him from one team and plopping him onto another team; nothing inherently changed about him as a QB.  Funny enough I think that's all that one dude on here was trying to say when he made that long poorly-received post after having an epiphany working for PFF behind the scenes or w/e.  That it's largely short-sighted to just try to evaluate QBs in a vacuum when there are so many variables at play that ultimately decide whether a QB is successful or not.  

I think Bryce has been mediocre at best this season and I'm ready to move on regardless of how he ends this season - I'm highly skeptical a strong end to the season will carry over into next year considering how last year ended and this year began.  I would certainly agree that he's a bottom-third QB this year.  I just don't understand you scoffing indignantly at anyone holding the opinion that Bryce has had a better season than Flacco...I can only assume it's recency bias.  Or maybe you know the stats don't support you, which is why you're conjuring up the god-forsaken arbitrary "eyeball test" which is the kinda thing people in here were saying about Fields for years, pinky promising that he really truly was a franchise QB despite his awful stats.  Perhaps it's called the eyeball test because I roll my eyes anytime I hear someone bring it up seriously as an argument.

I don't need that many words to say Bryce Young has not yet surpassed the caliber of QB play that current Joe Flacco represents.   I have watched every game Bryce has played.  He doesn't give you average QB play.   He can't make a ton of throws.  Bryce is consistent overall in what he is.  You can take outlier games on both ends of the spectrum out of play and judge him or any QB.....for Bryce it is unquestioned bottom of the league play. 

All you have to do is watch the two play.  Flacco is good enough that if you can keep up right and give him time.....he presents a level of play Bryce can't do as a passer. 

and Joe Flacco sucks.  Everyone coming off this random 2nd half vs Atlanta and thinking it erases the consistent suck that has been Bryce.   The arena league QB will be outdoors again this weekend.....struggling to hit 200

[strato]

32 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

You need to start using your head more when you post instead of just going on rage. Every time he completes a pass you say Tepper's giving him the first billion-dollar contract, and every time he throws an incompletion, you say he's the worst football player who ever lived. The middle ground in these instances is staggeringly large.

You can have a point, yet at the same time we know that with Tepper, that possibility does exist. Scary. 

[Panthers Fan 69]

Jesus Christ. 1 good game and you blow him.  
 

with that being said. 28. 

[countryboi]

2 hours ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Bryce going to get top 5 money from Tepper,  you just k ow it's coming..

its very very unlikely, he doesnt have to stats to back up a payday. He would be lucky to get paid at all

 

[countryboi]

Bryce’s production is in the bottom 10 among NFL QBs. No other team is offering more than bottom 10 money, anything higher is bidding against yourself.

[strato]

1 minute ago, countryboi said:

Bryce’s production is in the bottom 10 among NFL QBs. No other team is offering more than bottom 10 money, anything higher is bidding against yourself.

Yes it seems logical and sensible, until you remember the same egotistical multi billionaire that brought him to us is making the decisions. I am going to remain wary.  

[countryboi]

4 minutes ago, strato said:

Yes it seems logical and sensible, until you remember the same egotistical multi billionaire that brought him to us is making the decisions. I am going to remain wary.  

Tepper knows money, he knows what a bad deal is

Edited 1 hour ago by countryboi

[strato]

7 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Tepper knows money, he knows what a bad deal is

Okay. 

 

[frankw]

13 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Tepper knows money, he knows what a bad deal is

Well there's a couple issues with that. He handed Matt Rhule generational wealth over some meatballs. Then he was a driving force in pushing for us to trade up to #1 in 2023 and obviously for selecting Bryce Young. The problem with Tepper isn't that he doesn't know what a bad deal is the problem is his ego is the size of Texas and he refuses to acknowledge that he is completely out of his depth. Nothing that has transpired as of late has given an indication that he has learned much if anything from these debacles. We'll see though.

[countryboi]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Well there's a couple issues with that. He handed Matt Rhule generational wealth over some meatballs. Then he was a driving force in pushing for us to trade up to #1 in 2023 and obviously for selecting Bryce Young. The problem with Tepper isn't that he doesn't know what a bad deal is the problem is his ego is the size of Texas and he refuses to acknowledge that he is completely out of his depth. Nothing that has transpired as of late has given an indication that he has learned much if anything from these debacles. We'll see though.

you always push in to the weird position of defending people I dont really like, but you don’t know any employee is a bad fit until it plays out. A lot of folks here were excited when Rhule was hired. He’s clearly good at selling himself, he keeps landing head‑coaching jobs.

We also don’t know that Tepper was the driving force behind picking Bryce. The general feeling at the time is that he was the best player, The Teppers part is mostly rumor we’ve treated like fact. And it was 3–4 years ago. Most of us have changed our minds on Bryce like ten times since.

Lastly I don’t think he’s calling the shots anymore. He seems looped in, not leading. I worked for the Panthers for about eight months, and I almost never saw him in the office. Dan Morgan and Brandt were there every day. That’s anecdotal, not proof but it suggests Dan is doing most of the work.

if you asked me today if the Panthers are going to pay Bryce, I dont see it. He has not played well enough to heavily invest in him. 

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well there's a couple issues with that. He handed Matt Rhule generational wealth over some meatballs. Then he was a driving force in pushing for us to trade up to #1 in 2023 and obviously for selecting Bryce Young. The problem with Tepper isn't that he doesn't know what a bad deal is the problem is his ego is the size of Texas and he refuses to acknowledge that he is completely out of his depth. Nothing that has transpired as of late has given an indication that he has learned much if anything from these debacles. We'll see though.

Paying coaches doesn’t impact cap and ability to compete.  Paying players does. 

to me, the one positive of an uber wealthy owner wanting to spend….is in theory he could throw money at coaches