How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

[Bear Hands]

21 hours ago, Car123 said:

You guys are just saying bs and do not actually watch the games. In what world is Lawrence better this season?

79 qb rating. 11 tds, 8 picks. Are you people even football fans?

Kyler Murray hasn’t been good when he has played this year. I’d take Bryce Young over him.

I don't understand the tone, I gave you my ranking, that's it.  And yes, I still view Lawrence and Kyler are still ahead, in my opinion, which doesn't really mean much lol.  What's this have to do with being a fan ffs?

I will say, they are at the end of the list/the more arguable/debatable guys.  So open to debate but it seems you're going straight to the "you're not a fan" debate.  Which is super annoying.

Maybe I'd agree Bryce could be ~19-20 on the list if the argument was laid out instead.  His Atlanta game was better than anything they have done in recent memory, but he's had like 10 other games this season.  

• He is way more inconsistent in my view, due to a few factors...
  • Shotty footwork - he has a shallow lazy step back from gun that puts an OL in an impossible place.  Goes on his toes wayyy to much for my liking.
  • Poor upper body mechanics.  His upper body remains parallel to the LOS and has to perform that rapid twitch/turn motion to get in stance
  • His shallow drops also create a lack of sight lines so he can't layer throws well
  • He's had poor pocket presence - not last week, but it's been a thing  
• Pure traits standpoint
  • Arm strength is mediocre
  • Mobility is mediocre - can outrun at times but quicker IDLs can catch him
  • Accuracy is a range due to his inconsistency - can be above average to very poor.  His career so far has been pretty bad with intermediates (which again was not the case against ATL)
• Ball Security
  • Way too sensitive to fumbling
  • Has exhibited very poor decision making, especially in first halves that put the team behind

This all does NOT take away that he had a GREAT performance against ATL.  He was able to extend plays, found guys post-route in stride, the XL throw in Q3 was fantastic, a few of the Coker crossers were beauts.  There's no disputing that.  

But yeah, in totality, it hasn't looked good but he absolutely cooked last week. Outside of that, he's only had 5 other 250 yard passing games in his entire career.  He stalls on drives, makes annoying turnovers, doesn't see the right guys.  It's okay to both say that and the fact that he balled tf out last week. 

I hope he continues so we get better and maybe can make some noise. 

Big test on Monday.

 

[cranky]

52 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think we need to constantly try to put Bryce above the best QBs in the league by twisting stats... I mean especially when it comes to 4th down passing where splits exist for that. But also this is just ignoring so much. 

1) Panthers are 24th in the league in 3rd down efficiency, which is a bit lower than average. 

2) Goff has a higher QB rating on 4th down than Bryce Young does this year, same with Mahomes.  Fwiw, Bryce for his career is similar on 1st and 4th down.

4) One reason we are effective on 4th down is our rushing game, even when it isn't utilized. 

5) Bryce is better when the pressure is on than when it isn't, that's for sure, but one reason we have to go for it on 4th so much is that our scoring offense is not good (28th in the NFL) so we are having to eke out every possible point.

I got the 3rd down stats from statmuse. They show the Panthers at 18, not 24. I'm not trying to inflate his numbers to make him look better. I am just going by what I see in the table. If you have a problem with my claim he's about average, you will have to take it up with them.

 

 

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[PNW_PantherMan]

13 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

But yeah, in totality, it hasn't looked good but he absolutely cooked last week. Outside of that, he's only had 5 other 250 yard passing games in his entire career.  He stalls on drives, makes annoying turnovers, doesn't see the right guys.  It's okay to both say that and the fact that he balled tf out last week.

Exactly.  It's not that nuanced.

We've seen plenty of QBs have really great games, and they just are what they are.  They had a great game.  Mike White's done it.  Kyle Allen's done it.  There's a million examples.  Remember that Packers backup dude that had 1 good game and got a Seahawks contract out of it?  Before Russ came in the same year and made him useless lol.

[mav1234]

14 minutes ago, cranky said:

I got the 3rd down stats from statmuse. They show the Panthers at 18, not 24. I'm not trying to inflate his numbers to make him look better. I am just going by what I see in the table. If you have a problem with my claim he's about average, you will have to take it up with them.

 

 

I'm not sure why StatMuse is showing that ranking there, it shows 24th here:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/which-nfl-team-leads-the-league-in-third-down-conversion-percentage-this-season

Which lines up with other sources, e.g.:

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-stats?category=downs&sort=o_3rdpct&season=2025&seasonType=reg&sortOrder=desc

May be how ties are broken or something.

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Exactly.  It's not that nuanced.

We've seen plenty of QBs have really great games, and they just are what they are.  They had a great game.  Mike White's done it.  Kyle Allen's done it.  There's a million examples.  Remember that Packers backup dude that had 1 good game and got a Seahawks contract out of it?  Before Russ came in the same year and made him useless lol.

that Packers dude I'm pretty sure went about re-writing the Packers record books.....and basically was never seen again. 

[cranky]

11 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I'm not sure why StatMuse is showing that ranking there, it shows 24th here:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/which-nfl-team-leads-the-league-in-third-down-conversion-percentage-this-season

Which lines up with other sources, e.g.:

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-stats?category=downs&sort=o_3rdpct&season=2025&seasonType=reg&sortOrder=desc

May be how ties are broken or something.

That is weird. Regardless, 24 or 18th place, that's only about 1.4% ( 37% vs 38.4% )difference which is pretty insignificant overall.

As far the QB ratings on 4th down, could you either give me the data or point me to were I can find it. Again, I am just going on what statmuse provided on 4th down numbers. Given how much more successful the Panthers have been on 4th downs than the Lions, I am curious to see how Geoff rates higher. Not trying to be argumentative. I am honestly curious.

 

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spelling again lol

[csx]

28 minutes ago, cranky said:

I got the 3rd down stats from statmuse. They show the Panthers at 18, not 24. I'm not trying to inflate his numbers to make him look better. I am just going by what I see in the table. If you have a problem with my claim he's about average, you will have to take it up with them.

 

 

Statmuse is awful. It rarely shows the stat you ask for.

 

We are 24

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/stat/downs/table/miscellaneous/sort/thirdDownConvPct/dir/desc

[UnluckyforSome]

Starters only?

I would take Young over anyone that is broken down and/or over the hill.

So no Rodgers, no Cousins, no Smith, no Flacco. Not that a team can't win or compete but their time is over.

I would take Young over some early-in-career qbs that have had little to no success. This would mostly be a zero-sum trade.

So, no Fields, no Murray, no McCarthy, no Gabriel, no Penix.

I might be forgetting 1 or 2, but that would be the gist.

 

[cranky]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think we need to constantly try to put Bryce above the best QBs in the league by twisting stats... I mean especially when it comes to 4th down passing where splits exist for that. But also this is just ignoring so much. 

1) Panthers are 24th in the league in 3rd down efficiency, which is a bit lower than average. 

2) Goff has a higher QB rating on 4th down than Bryce Young does this year, same with Mahomes.  Fwiw, Bryce for his career is similar on 1st and 4th down.

4) One reason we are effective on 4th down is our rushing game, even when it isn't utilized. 

5) Bryce is better when the pressure is on than when it isn't, that's for sure, but one reason we have to go for it on 4th so much is that our scoring offense is not good (28th in the NFL) so we are having to eke out every possible point.

Going by Statmuse, Geoff isn't higher. In fact, Young is just behind Mahommes, Herbert and Stafford. 

Take these numbers with a grain of salt though as they really don't look right to me.

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[CRA]

25 minutes ago, cranky said:

That is weird. Regardless, 24 or 18th place, that's only about 1.4% ( 37% vs 38.4% )difference which is pretty insignificant overall.

As far the QB ratings on 4th down, could you either give me the data or point me to were I can find it. Again, I am just going on what statmuse provided on 4th down numbers. Given how much more successful the Panthers have been on 4th downs than the Lions, I am curious to see how Geoff rates higher. Not trying to be argumentative. I am honestly curious.

 

Not sure I trust all these sites.   

Take week 1.  Bryce went 0-2 as a passer on 4th down.  He went for it a 3rd time and got picked with a horrific throw......and got bailed out and given a 1st down due to contact away from the play on Renfrow.  Dude took 2 sacks on 4th down on Sunday.    I don't have the energy to go through the play logs. 

[strato]

2 hours ago, cranky said:

All I can say is the Panthers have gone for it on 4th downs more than any other team this year - 27 times - and have converted 67% of them. The next two are the Giants and Lions @ 25 and 23 attempts converting 52% and 56% respectively. So Bryce/Panthers are converting at a higher rate than Geoff/Lions. The only teams with at least 20 attempts doing better than the Panthers are the Chiefs (76%) and Colts (81%) - I looked up the Colts and the majority of theirs comes from rushing.

So basiclly Young is between Geoff and Mahommes on 4th down completion efficiency. If you are wondering if they are having to go or it because of poor third downs numbers, they are converting 37% on third downs which is about average so it really isn't that. 

So now it’s a referendum on 4th down conversions.  
You win.