Okay gentlemen, REAL talk...

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I like to look at trends for a young QB but everyone has their own criteria.  Is he getting better throughout the year each year?  I think so, but I still want to see some consistency.  I like that he had 2 of his best games in his most recent 3 with one being on the road.  I also like how the team is learning to win with him as a leader.  I don't like the inconsistencies but this is a pretty young offense and offensive staff.  It will be interesting to see how we finish.  Regardless QB2 HAS to be upgraded this offseason.  

Trends for QBs with a tendency to be streaky can be hard to follow.

(we get a lot of those types here)

[Car123]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

Teams can win in spite of bad offense.  In spite of bad defense.  In spite of bad ST.  In spite of being weak at corner.  In spite of weak WRs.  In spite of weak QB play. 

like I said, what is taking place is the unique cherry pick where some fans say we can't state the obvious reality about the QB spot.  But look at Atlanta!  But look at these 3 throws in this game he was treated as a backup for every single other snap!  Exceptions don't make the rule or change the big picture.

I have seen lots of your post, I don't recall you rushing to Philly Brown's defense when it was just matter of fact stated Cam Newton won NFL MVP/went to the Super Bowl despite a weak WR cast.  The entire board universally agreed the weak link to that roster was what it was.     I would reckon if I searched hard enough, I could find you making the same matter of statement that teams do in fact win in spite of very clear weaknesses. 

Was he treated as a backup here? These are some damn good throws.

https://x.com/justblande/status/1995605727323500992?s=46&t=LFCU3YJC5DIKyaUU92bPAQ

 

[CPF4LIFE]

On 11/30/2025 at 3:58 PM, Daddy_Uncle said:

Bryce will come out of the bye and throw for 62 yards against the Saints. 

This is what im waiting to see....If he can bounce back against them on the road I will give him big credit.

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

Rex Grossman led the Bears to the Super Bowl!   He deserves the same credit for all those wins as that top 5 D, HOF Devin Hester lead special teams and rush attack!    They definitely didn't get there in spite of a QB that had (check notes)....the 43rd best completion % in the NFL that year and top 3 in turnovers. 

you just can't take credit away from Rex like that.  In spite of? Dude had GWDs.  

Yeah, he did.

In a different context, George S Patton was a colossal a--shole (my WWII veteran uncle hated his guts) but it can't be argued that he helped us win the war. So is he all hero, all scoundrel, or is it...complicated?

The whole dichotomy of instating that players be lumped into categories of "all good" or "all bad" just isn't viable in a real world discussion any more than we can put any human being in one of those two camps.

Life is complicated. So is football.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

To me he has shown he CAN play at a high level, but he needs to show consistency.

Pretty much where I'm at.

I question whether he gets there, but stranger things have happened.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Great take.  

I'm a big Bryce fan and have been since we drafted him.  My stance has always been to give him time to develop.  To have some patience.  

I look at each play and figure out where the issue was on that play and who did their job and who screwed up.  Over time you look to see if the player is improving.  Stats are a reflection of making the right decisions but depend very heavily on what the other 10 guys did or didn't do and what play Canales called and the situation.  

I hope no one would argue that the games in which Bryce plays well, he usually plays really, really well.  You can easily see on dozens of individual plays where is does things at an elite level.  We can also see how the teams talks about and responds to him, on and off the field.  We are at the point now where we know whats possible.  The question now is how to do it more consistently.  

We have a young coach.
We have a young GM.
We have young players.
We have Young.
 
Let the Panthers cook.

It may not be happening on the time table or in the exact way the fan base wants but no one can argue this is the best the team has looked from top to bottom since Watt blew up Cam's shoulder.  Front office, coaching staff and players.  

Win, lose or draw the Panthers are exciting and contending again.

I'd call this a valid take.

A realistic one also cause there ain't a whole lot else we can do

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

The player. He doesn't know how to play th qb position. He can't play it in college and he sure as hell won't be able to play it in the nfl. He's just big and can run fast. Oh, he can throw the football real far. But a qb he is not and you cannot make him one. Its a waste of even a 7th round pick. 

This is me too.

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

He has lost a lot of stock value this year--was it the supporting cast or the player?  

I'm not gonna claim to have done a deep analysis on him. My take at this point is a "surface" take.

I just have a hard time imagining that he's gonna make a successful transition to the pro game.

[CRA]

25 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Was he treated as a backup here? These are some damn good throws.

https://x.com/justblande/status/1995605727323500992?s=46&t=LFCU3YJC5DIKyaUU92bPAQ

 

Yeah, I mean if you watched the game he was.   Dude had 2 throws over 10 yards downfield and he was completely hidden.  There were 2 schizophrenic 4th down playcalls.   If you didn’t catch those 2 passes and watched her rest of the game. 

the fine line between dumb and stupid playcalls….is often just the result.  Bryce misses just one of the 4th down calls and the narrative for Bryce and Canales is an entire 180.  

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I mean if you watched the game he was.   Dude had 2 throws over 10 yards downfield and he was completely hidden.  There were 2 schizophrenic 4th down playcalls.   If you didn’t catch those 2 passes and watched her rest of the game. 

the fine line between dumb and stupid playcalls….is often just the result.  Bryce misses just one of the 4th down calls and the narrative for Bryce and Canales is an entire 180.  

You wanted to reiterate this?

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You wanted to reiterate this?

I can do it again, Bryce Young didn’t complete a single downfield pass more than 10 yards on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down for an entire game. 

Canales took 2 huge gambles on 4th down that worked out tremendously.   And these exact same type gambles have been blasted by the board this entire season as bad playcalls when they didn’t work out.  Great and dumb ain’t that far apart. 

the viewpoint of great QB play is skewed.  Or outlook and view of a QB in general.  There is a criteria used for 31 other teams and a very unique  version that only applies to Bryce.    As others have said this week, the Jaguars pass game and Trevor can be deemed as horrible….and Bryce/Carolina somehow “good” lol.  

[SmokinwithWilly]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Depending on stats in a team sport is a massive gamble.

QBx has a far better completion percentage than QBy. Is he better, or are his receivers better?

QBa has fewer passing yards than QBb, but one plays for a team with a bell cow runningback while the other plays for a team that runs a high percentage passing attack.

RBq has far fewer rushing yards than RBz, but he also doesn't have anything close to as good a set of blockers opening holes for him.

Those are only a few examples. You could easily find dozens more.

Baseball is a sport that lends much better to individual stats as a measuring stick. Football is a hundred times more complex; hence why stats can be misleading.

Stats have to be used as a piece in interpretation of the whole which is what I was saying. There's lots of different stats that can be used to evaluate players besides the stat line at the end of the game. 

T2G had a high completion % because he constantly checked down for short passes. A QB passing 0-5 yards is likely going to have a higher completion than one making passes 10-15 yards regularly. They're higher % passes. 

How far is RB1 getting beyond the line of scrimmage before contact? Rico is averaging 6 ypc. Jeantry has 3 ypc but is getting contacted often behind the line. What if Dowdle were getting less than a yard after contact but Jeantry was getting 2.5? Who's the better runner then?

Bryce keeps getting credited with all these games winning drives. The final drive vs Atl, Bryce get credit for a 54 yard pass when in reality, he completed a basic 5 yard pass and Tremble ran over multiple defenders for nearly 50 yards. Then he hands off 3 times to set up the field goal. Now did he put the team on his back and lead the drive, or is he the beneficiary of a statistic? Does handing the ball off once after a fumbles recovery followed by a field goal count as leading a drive? 

Multiple stats tell different parts of the story from different angles. You have to use them together to wisely interpret what it means. No one said solely depend on the stats. But if you analyze them, use them as the tools that they are, you can learn a lot and create advantages for yourself and your team. Take what's available and determine what's worth using and what's not. But don't just ignore stats because you're scared you might be wrong. 

 

[Car123]

40 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I mean if you watched the game he was.   Dude had 2 throws over 10 yards downfield and he was completely hidden.  There were 2 schizophrenic 4th down playcalls.   If you didn’t catch those 2 passes and watched her rest of the game. 

the fine line between dumb and stupid playcalls….is often just the result.  Bryce misses just one of the 4th down calls and the narrative for Bryce and Canales is an entire 180.  

Yeah yeah yeah. If not for the tuck rule Brady wouldn’t have been the best qb. Can’t change the outcome.

And the clip shows more than 2 passes over 10 yards. Idk what game you watched.